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during the pair cast the gold standard

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has paranormal radio and now here's Jim

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once again David beanie is taking a

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hiatus from the show and I'm frankly

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speaking that such a complicated word it

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was hard enough for me to say it now

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first people say I don't talk enough on

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the show but here I am our special guest

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host this week is Christopher O'Brien

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and we'll be introducing our other guest

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shortly now one thing of course is

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people have asked me since David is not

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here what about the weird voices who's

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gonna do the word voices Chris you have

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an idea it'd be okay well I think I just

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I couldn't help myself you know what I

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got a suggestion for you Chris okay okay

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don't give up your day job okay do you

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have a day job do any of us have a day

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job several we all kind of have day jobs

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so before we get onto the subject of our

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discussion Chris what ever attracted you

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to doing this sort of thing instead of a

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regular job oh boy that's a loaded

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question gene who I gave a New Year's

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December 31st 1992 and quite a number of

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people at the party we're talking in

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separate groups about a UFO sighting

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that occurred the previous November and

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somebody chimed in that that was the

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same night that a cattle mutilation have

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been reported to counties south of me

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and I've been I've been chasing the

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phenomenon ever since I that I can

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really literally look back at that night

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course I've known about cattle

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mutilations for many years I did follow

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newspaper reports back in the 70s and

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was aware of the snippy the horse case

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case back in 67 as a 10 year old kid I

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remember hearing about the snippy case

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so I've always had an interest in this

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subject but it wasn't until I moved to

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the San Luis Valley where boy I'll tell

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you I really got into it hot and heavy

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I personally been involved in

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researching or personally investigating

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over 200 cases so it's not one of my

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favorite pastimes in the world but you

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know it's it's a real compelling mystery

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I think educate people about the true

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nature of this mystery there's a lot of

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misconceptions out there

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well you selected a couple of very

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seeing examples of people who were

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spending a lot of time investigating

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this phenomenon tell us who they are and

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why you selected these people to be our

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victims well first of all Ted olifant is

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someone that I've known for quite some

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years we've sort of casually known each

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other over the internet and compared

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notes for the past 10 or 12 years and

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Ted Ted is the ex police chief of fife

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Alabama and that area the country had an

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amazing deluge of cases that Ted was

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very personally involved in

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investigating and we've been comparing

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notes ever since and I think some of our

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thinking very early on was that we were

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to or utter souffle and for oil is

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speak right now he's been investigating

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cases well over 10 years in in the

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border some very complex and puzzling

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sheep mutilations that have been

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occurring up there and we're gonna

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obviously get into all this quite a bit

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more during the show I think before we

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start what is do you think the biggest

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misconception people have about what

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investigator in this realm and much to

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on what to do and how to do it when I

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conceptualizing about what or who could

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eyes possibly part of the problem

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paranormal is occurring but there is no

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star systems that are involved in these

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cases that's not to say that the UFOs

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mutilation sites very rarely but they

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biggest misconception I think is that

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asking the obvious questions let's get

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our guests on board here 1000 fans

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welcome to the power cast Ted as a

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UFOs in need to know which made the

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mutilated cow in my field can you come

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mutilations at the same time so we can

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never link that the two things together

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the crazy people but so we had UFOs we

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everything in secret and they don't do

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matter as that so all credit goes to him

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serious nature then is it the UFO people

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conclusively linked it but we did have a

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strange in terms of physical evidence it

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was left behind and let people wonder

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all right let's look at the traces

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looking at the evidence left behind is

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it just a cow a cow that's been torn to

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shreds or what is it what's the specific

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crime scene what do you do with the

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crime scene you recover physical

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deduct that which does not fit and

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whatever's left over must be the answer

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all right so let's look at what doesn't

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fit it's not obviously the demon

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worshippers what else doesn't fit well

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that doesn't fit either because whatever

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organs and tissue samples have been

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removed and there's no blood there's

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evidence that at the scene other than

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aluminum titanium oxygen and so it's on

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esthetic pencil that our favorite uses

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recovered I put it in a plastic bag like

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I see something wrapper from I'll say

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you guys to keep it safe and put in my

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pocket and drove back to the police

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station when I took it back to the

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police station and took it out of my

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pocket I was actually on the phone with

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the Holika time and I couldn't get all

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the material out of the plastic and I

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touched it with the tip of a ballpoint

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pen which is brass and when that metal

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hit the substance it melted in a

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clearing into a clear little striations

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well what substance it was a luminol

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titanium oxygen silicon it looked like

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the center of an Oreo cookie when we

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found it on the crime scene and why you

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came in contact with metal it turned

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into a clear liquid so the material I

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was able to cover up with glass it was

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sent off to a David Pritchard MIT and

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other universities they said it was a

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little titanium oxygen and silicon and

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David Pritchard MIT thought that for it

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to behave the way they did when I told

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it it melted much touched it with metal

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he said it was probably held together

300
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with electrostatic charge when I had

301
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with them that with grounded it just

302
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turned into liquid really strange

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anything that is strange enough to

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indicate an on to rest fuel origin when

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I was up there in Alabama but nothing to

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suggest

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number one a UFO no but services just

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beans from the your phone and number

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three to say that the beans from the UFO

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and extraterrestrial so no nothing like

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that

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what was so strange was the lack of

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physical evidence left at the crime

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scene very seldom was there anything

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other than the animal itself most of

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these mutilations seem to have two three

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o'clock in the

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and just absence of evidence and the

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fact that it happens in all the night

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and that we heard anything

321
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let's lots of speculation in a lot of

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different directions I'll just leave it

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at that

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Christopher O'Brien as our special guest

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co-host on the power cast joined by

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Philip Oil and Ted olifant Chris you had

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a question

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I do Ted first of all just to give the

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audience they I think a better

359
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understanding of your involvement in

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these cases about how many cases were

361
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you personally involved with in that

362
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that area northeast Alabama 1982 to 1993

363
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I believe the first one was October 2006

364
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92 is the first one we discovered

365
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reported by our businessman John strong

366
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in Albertville Alabama - the last one

367
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which I was going to say about mid April

368
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1993 36 cases and six months now these

369
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are the cases that were reported by the

370
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farmers in any case were not reported at

371
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all and I think that happens an awful

372
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lot since then I went back to Alabama in

373
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2002 mutilation started almost

374
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immediately after I arrived there with a

375
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film crew and we stumbled a car across

376
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three cases we were there I've also seen

377
00:16:25,270 --> 00:16:23,060
cases in Northern California in between

378
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times but during the peak I'd say you

379
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know 36 cases in sponsoring those again

380
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are the ones that get reportedly many

381
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cases go without being reported well I

382
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have a quick question for you

383
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well first of all an observation let's

384
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go ahead I think and bring the audience

385
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up to speed and kind of define I think

386
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what a classic mutilation is considered

387
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to be by investigators so how would you

388
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define a true cattle mutilation so what

389
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I've seen

390
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there seems to be variations on a theme

391
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typically when I saw was an incision in

392
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the mouth area internal and external

393
00:17:05,949 --> 00:17:02,990
like your great the oval decided a

394
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little football head place tissue you

395
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know hide and hair I removed from the

396
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jaw area typically sex organs are

397
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removed males and females when they call

398
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it a stovepipe incision something gone

399
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in taking out a large core and removed

400
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from the animal again without blood at

401
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the excision language is strange others

402
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are sometimes removed or pieces of the

403
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utters there's sections of the others

404
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individual teats removed the rear end of

405
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the animal typically is sex organs

406
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removed and you can release these parts

407
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those top are stove-piped decisions you

408
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know males and females I've also seen in

409
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goats and I know there's been cases of

410
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burrows and even a squirrel so very very

411
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strange adopted it's typically large

412
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exhibition on the animal organs are just

413
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removed bloodless incision that's about

414
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project okay yeah I would agree with

415
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that

416
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I'm also an observation I would have is

417
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is oftentimes the soft tissue organs

418
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that are removed tend to be the one the

419
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organs that humans develop cancer in the

420
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most is one observation that I've had

421
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over the years in the many cases that

422
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I've investigated what do you say Ted to

423
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people that that are skeptical of this

424
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whole thing and and try to Palm it off

425
00:18:30,180 --> 00:18:25,700
as just being unusual scavenger action I

426
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mean what is your stock response to that

427
00:18:38,050 --> 00:18:34,480
first involved in the investigation

428
00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:38,060
about mammal I've seen at a crime scene

429
00:18:44,170 --> 00:18:41,570
well misperceptions about what it is I

430
00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:44,180
still think there's a lot of that you've

431
00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:46,250
got you know the skeptic Society to say

432
00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:48,170
there are no cattle mutilations which

433
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isn't crazy

434
00:18:53,860 --> 00:18:52,130
we got police departments were whining

435
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the public not to be fan base and

436
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saluted mister information wasting there

437
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are now relations the farmers are

438
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certainly not skeptics about because

439
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they're the

440
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no there's a difference between what's

441
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happened to their animal and what

442
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normally happens to animals and that's

443
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your first cue that there's something

444
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different going on here the farm is the

445
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same Ian watch this I've never seen this

446
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before I've been doing this forever

447
00:19:19,610 --> 00:19:18,120
so misinformation there's got to be the

448
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best friend and the people who are

449
00:19:23,570 --> 00:19:21,410
actually responsible for these crimes

450
00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:23,580
they just gotta be through all the way

451
00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:25,410
people say oh it's aliens or just

452
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satanic Oulton you know the blame is

453
00:19:31,820 --> 00:19:29,850
always thrown in the direction now other

454
00:19:33,290 --> 00:19:31,830
than theirs they've whoever's doing this

455
00:19:35,180 --> 00:19:33,300
this guy what they call plausible

456
00:19:36,770 --> 00:19:35,190
deniability because they're weird so

457
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:36,780
it's reducing such and such are we doing

458
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:38,850
that so they've got built-in defense

459
00:19:44,300 --> 00:19:41,250
mechanism just by what they're doing you

460
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:44,310
know yeah as I used to say about some of

461
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the crazy cases you know the crazy

462
00:19:51,140 --> 00:19:48,660
theories gay momentum just by their very

463
00:19:53,690 --> 00:19:51,150
existence got a life of their own and

464
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:53,700
the seems to be a secretary would used

465
00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:55,770
to have more of a life of its own in

466
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terms of the misinformation but I think

467
00:20:04,010 --> 00:20:01,440
we hear less of it being connected with

468
00:20:06,260 --> 00:20:04,020
UFOs and aliens now back with that said

469
00:20:08,270 --> 00:20:06,270
I've got to say that there are certainly

470
00:20:12,170 --> 00:20:08,280
some cases I can tell you about where a

471
00:20:13,940 --> 00:20:12,180
paranormal phenomenon was reported at

472
00:20:16,340 --> 00:20:13,950
the scene or near the scene about the

473
00:20:18,740 --> 00:20:16,350
time of these cases appeared so I keep

474
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:18,750
an open mind but as a police officer

475
00:20:22,430 --> 00:20:21,330
when I was leaving these cases I will

476
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look at a suspect

477
00:20:28,220 --> 00:20:26,460
other than the two-legged kinda

478
00:20:30,140 --> 00:20:28,230
communities got a problem if the top is

479
00:20:32,750 --> 00:20:30,150
preoccupied with saying all aliens are

480
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:32,760
doing this you know whatever it is you

481
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:34,530
know it's happening on the ground and

482
00:20:39,290 --> 00:20:36,690
somebody's we talking rabbits and almost

483
00:20:40,970 --> 00:20:39,300
so what 40 years of this no one's ever

484
00:20:43,850 --> 00:20:40,980
been kind and that adds to the mystery

485
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:43,860
too and certainly on some occasions UFOs

486
00:20:49,070 --> 00:20:45,690
seem to appear before or after these

487
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:49,080
cases happen and that really yeah these

488
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:50,970
up the water tremendously and for you

489
00:20:54,020 --> 00:20:52,890
know people who are trying to find out

490
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:54,030
what's going on they get all these

491
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:55,770
diversions and it throws them off it

492
00:21:00,050 --> 00:20:57,120
seems to be part of it all the time I

493
00:21:01,970 --> 00:21:00,060
think I'll tell you about some of the

494
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:01,980
strange things I gone over there in the

495
00:21:06,770 --> 00:21:04,290
UK you know what okay that's the

496
00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:06,780
introduction Phil thanks for coming

497
00:21:10,370 --> 00:21:08,310
along on this week's episode of the

498
00:21:12,530 --> 00:21:10,380
podcast before you talk about some of

499
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:12,540
the cases how did you get dragged into

500
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:13,490
research

501
00:21:19,150 --> 00:21:16,640
calamy relations well it was a situation

502
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:19,160
really that I was heavily involved in

503
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:22,880
UFO investigations anyway and obviously

504
00:21:27,180 --> 00:21:24,290
that we were fully aware of what was

505
00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:27,190
happening in in the united states and in

506
00:21:31,870 --> 00:21:30,110
inside of america regarding that if the

507
00:21:35,260 --> 00:21:31,880
hammer mutilations obviously in

508
00:21:39,100 --> 00:21:35,270
particular with cattle we suddenly

509
00:21:41,860 --> 00:21:39,110
became aware in the the mid-90s of the

510
00:21:44,380 --> 00:21:41,870
number of cases that mimicked the kind

511
00:21:45,610 --> 00:21:44,390
of procedures are that were being

512
00:21:48,370 --> 00:21:45,620
discovered obviously in the in the

513
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united states so that was when the alarm

514
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:51,200
bells started the first ring and we

515
00:21:55,210 --> 00:21:53,330
started to make inquiries then and to

516
00:21:56,830 --> 00:21:55,220
follow up on a number of cases and then

517
00:21:58,720 --> 00:21:56,840
obviously we could see you graphically

518
00:22:00,370 --> 00:21:58,730
that the kind of injuries that we were

519
00:22:03,549 --> 00:22:00,380
so we were actually seeing at the farms

520
00:22:06,970 --> 00:22:03,559
where identical in many many ways to the

521
00:22:10,049 --> 00:22:06,980
states although it was mainly to do with

522
00:22:14,380 --> 00:22:10,059
sheep here not cattle there are a few

523
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:14,390
cattle reports but nothing like like

524
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:16,850
like in the US but i mean obviously my

525
00:22:21,730 --> 00:22:20,090
involvement with the UFO subject it was

526
00:22:24,580 --> 00:22:21,740
one that led to that who our

527
00:22:27,610 --> 00:22:24,590
investigations been expanded and and

528
00:22:29,020 --> 00:22:27,620
then so obviously we have all the time

529
00:22:31,540 --> 00:22:29,030
try to keep an open mind because like

530
00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:31,550
ted says you can really if you don't

531
00:22:35,890 --> 00:22:33,110
keep an open mind and start from scratch

532
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:35,900
you can actually build on the mistakes

533
00:22:40,540 --> 00:22:37,730
of maybe others before there's been

534
00:22:42,580 --> 00:22:40,550
before you and and then you really need

535
00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:42,590
to go back to basics and reevaluate

536
00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:44,030
everything that you're coming into

537
00:22:48,580 --> 00:22:46,370
contact with because the subject is so

538
00:22:51,010 --> 00:22:48,590
complex if it was easy to solve it would

539
00:22:52,660 --> 00:22:51,020
have been sold before now you know raise

540
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,670
one issue they're filled which i wanted

541
00:22:56,590 --> 00:22:54,080
to kind of follow up on before we go on

542
00:22:59,140 --> 00:22:56,600
the mistakes that people have made in

543
00:23:01,120 --> 00:22:59,150
doing this kind of research so from your

544
00:23:02,890 --> 00:23:01,130
point of view what kind of mistakes have

545
00:23:05,770 --> 00:23:02,900
been made the things that have just

546
00:23:09,310 --> 00:23:05,780
basically made the research go nowhere

547
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,320
or backwards well i i'm basically

548
00:23:13,660 --> 00:23:11,120
referring to what's gone in in the UK

549
00:23:15,130 --> 00:23:13,670
and as much that a lot of times there's

550
00:23:17,049 --> 00:23:15,140
been cases brought to people's attention

551
00:23:19,450 --> 00:23:17,059
where they haven't been fully

552
00:23:21,730 --> 00:23:19,460
investigated in any shape or form on a

553
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,740
scientific level information has been

554
00:23:25,260 --> 00:23:23,360
passed to people have been involved in

555
00:23:27,180 --> 00:23:25,270
the UFO phenomena

556
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:27,190
and virtually this information has been

557
00:23:33,419 --> 00:23:30,640
passed by phone or by post now you

558
00:23:35,460 --> 00:23:33,429
cannot make it a proper evaluation of

559
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:35,470
what's taking place about making taking

560
00:23:39,419 --> 00:23:37,120
interviews from people that might have

561
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:39,429
lived in the area the farmers anything

562
00:23:46,980 --> 00:23:43,330
that's been cited or observed that's

563
00:23:49,049 --> 00:23:46,990
unusual you need you need hands-on in

564
00:23:50,820 --> 00:23:49,059
the environment you need to see the

565
00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:50,830
carcasses you need to to see these

566
00:23:55,049 --> 00:23:52,510
things in front of you that you know and

567
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:55,059
they are quite quite baffling when you

568
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:56,890
see some of the injuries now what I'm

569
00:24:01,860 --> 00:23:59,440
getting at is if you've got people are

570
00:24:04,850 --> 00:24:01,870
involved in in this phenomena and and

571
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:04,860
making reports over the phone or by mail

572
00:24:09,810 --> 00:24:07,600
there are assumptions that you know

573
00:24:11,820 --> 00:24:09,820
people are jumping to there's not enough

574
00:24:13,380 --> 00:24:11,830
information for a valid report and if

575
00:24:14,970 --> 00:24:13,390
you've got that and then other people

576
00:24:16,590 --> 00:24:14,980
come in afterwards after these people

577
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,600
are retired or whatever well then

578
00:24:20,220 --> 00:24:18,640
obviously you know people are taking for

579
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,230
granted that these this research has

580
00:24:25,860 --> 00:24:23,200
been done in a scientific manner and a

581
00:24:29,580 --> 00:24:25,870
Nataniel has not been it's we haven't

582
00:24:32,490 --> 00:24:29,590
got anything like the facilities or the

583
00:24:35,639 --> 00:24:32,500
cooperation with law enforcement source

584
00:24:37,409 --> 00:24:35,649
or vets that you have it ad in the US so

585
00:24:39,060 --> 00:24:37,419
what I'm basically saying is all the

586
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,070
time you must keep your mind open that

587
00:24:44,130 --> 00:24:41,440
you've got to reevaluate and take take

588
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,140
onboard new parts of the puzzle yeah I

589
00:24:48,750 --> 00:24:46,720
think that's a very good point one of

590
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:48,760
the things that I've noticed is when the

591
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:51,850
media gets involved in publicizing some

592
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,159
of an outbreak let's say of a series of

593
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:56,799
these cases it tends to bring out

594
00:25:02,460 --> 00:24:58,960
misidentified scavenger action and

595
00:25:04,529 --> 00:25:02,470
amateur appraisals of this types of this

596
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:04,539
type of scavenger action that appears

597
00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:06,370
high strange to the untrained eye and

598
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:08,289
then all of a sudden you seem to to have

599
00:25:13,889 --> 00:25:10,450
a whole flurry of reports that come in

600
00:25:16,340 --> 00:25:13,899
that at least in my personal experience

601
00:25:19,289 --> 00:25:16,350
and the opinion are nothing more than

602
00:25:21,870 --> 00:25:19,299
misinformed appraisals by amateurs

603
00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:21,880
thinking that a particular dead animal

604
00:25:26,460 --> 00:25:24,130
out in the field has been has been

605
00:25:29,250 --> 00:25:26,470
mutilated when in fact what they're

606
00:25:30,990 --> 00:25:29,260
observing oftentimes is standard

607
00:25:33,899 --> 00:25:31,000
scavenger and predator action on

608
00:25:36,570 --> 00:25:33,909
carcasses and I think that this South

609
00:25:40,590 --> 00:25:36,580
nullifying aspect

610
00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:40,600
is is one of the act it just to me it's

611
00:25:46,820 --> 00:25:43,260
almost ingenious it's a self nullifying

612
00:25:49,470 --> 00:25:46,830
mystery that tends to to draw out

613
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:49,480
misperceptions and tends to draw out a

614
00:25:54,930 --> 00:25:52,450
lot of pop-culture thinking which then

615
00:25:57,210 --> 00:25:54,940
nullifies the the real cases and and

616
00:26:00,299 --> 00:25:57,220
gives the skeptics and the debunkers a

617
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:00,309
way to attack the true nature of the

618
00:26:06,330 --> 00:26:03,039
mystery very effectively and I think

619
00:26:08,669 --> 00:26:06,340
this has been a major problem through

620
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:08,679
the years investigating these cases and

621
00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:10,809
at the same time it's quite ingenious

622
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:13,809
because it does almost self nullify the

623
00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:16,480
mystery based on people's misperceptions

624
00:26:19,769 --> 00:26:17,620
and I think that's a really good point

625
00:26:21,330 --> 00:26:19,779
that you bring up about how many cases

626
00:26:22,590 --> 00:26:21,340
do you figure that you have been

627
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:22,600
personally involved in investigating

628
00:26:31,409 --> 00:26:26,559
folk well me personally maybe about 15

629
00:26:33,389 --> 00:26:31,419
to 20 of different forms ever had

630
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:33,399
because obviously by the nature of the

631
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:35,440
animals we have a situation where we've

632
00:26:40,019 --> 00:26:37,809
got a lot more sheep cluster than cattle

633
00:26:43,019 --> 00:26:40,029
and it seems to be the teammate in one

634
00:26:45,509 --> 00:26:43,029
case there was 45 used that were

635
00:26:47,009 --> 00:26:45,519
actually killed and without someone

636
00:26:49,950 --> 00:26:47,019
acting alive to be honest but they

637
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:49,960
actually 45 died in all so I mean that

638
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:51,610
was just in one incidence on one farm

639
00:26:55,740 --> 00:26:54,130
but my other colleagues as well have

640
00:26:58,169 --> 00:26:55,750
been obviously involved in this for past

641
00:27:00,419 --> 00:26:58,179
10 years also and so what's interesting

642
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:00,429
to us is the fact that we actually go

643
00:27:06,269 --> 00:27:03,970
around looking for the evidence to these

644
00:27:08,460 --> 00:27:06,279
these types of mutilations I actually

645
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:08,470
call on hundreds and hundreds of farm

646
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,330
stand there on the Shropshire Welsh

647
00:27:14,399 --> 00:27:12,159
borders so I'm actually going around

648
00:27:18,570 --> 00:27:14,409
actually knocking on doors or farmhouses

649
00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:18,580
and asking you know have any unusual

650
00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:20,049
events taking place have they had any

651
00:27:25,740 --> 00:27:22,510
missing animals rustling of animals and

652
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:25,750
slowly get onto the subject of any

653
00:27:29,940 --> 00:27:27,730
animals been found with any strange kind

654
00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:29,950
of injuries and I carry a photo folder

655
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:31,809
that actually graphically shows these

656
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:34,690
injuries and slowly just make make an

657
00:27:38,970 --> 00:27:36,610
awareness to the farmers in the active

658
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:38,980
areas and we leave pamphlets and then

659
00:27:43,049 --> 00:27:41,049
hoping that if they do discover an

660
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:43,059
animal with that's the mutilation

661
00:27:46,379 --> 00:27:45,010
signatures they will give me a call and

662
00:27:48,180 --> 00:27:46,389
I can go straight out there and then

663
00:27:49,450 --> 00:27:48,190
make an evaluation if it is a true

664
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,460
mutilation or

665
00:27:53,860 --> 00:27:51,919
something else that can be explained so

666
00:27:55,659 --> 00:27:53,870
I mean it's it's it's all the time we

667
00:27:58,299 --> 00:27:55,669
are we're looking at it but trying to

668
00:28:00,100 --> 00:27:58,309
evaluate what's going on who we can

669
00:28:02,260 --> 00:28:00,110
bring in that's got expertise in

670
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:02,270
different areas it's an open book on its

671
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,770
own it's is a mystery because no

672
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:05,600
particular you can't see around the

673
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:08,000
stands take X is doing this it seems to

674
00:28:11,710 --> 00:28:10,250
be this this definitely that's to say

675
00:28:14,380 --> 00:28:11,720
deception is an understatement

676
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:14,390
it seems that it evolved when you seem

677
00:28:20,529 --> 00:28:16,610
to understand one part it evolves to

678
00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:20,539
something else and it is obviously very

679
00:28:27,130 --> 00:28:24,529
very well funded or you know a highly

680
00:28:30,460 --> 00:28:27,140
intelligent and deceptive program to

681
00:28:32,590 --> 00:28:30,470
cover the tracks or value whoever or

682
00:28:38,220 --> 00:28:32,600
whatever is doing it

683
00:28:45,509 --> 00:28:41,479
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686
00:28:52,919 --> 00:28:50,169
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687
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700
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701
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:41,510
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702
00:29:50,270 --> 00:29:48,000
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703
00:29:53,060 --> 00:29:50,280
special guest host Christopher O'Brien

704
00:29:55,340 --> 00:29:53,070
with us our guests are animal mutilation

705
00:29:58,910 --> 00:29:55,350
investigators Ted olifant and Phillip

706
00:30:02,470 --> 00:29:58,920
oil and now the the red herring comes in

707
00:30:06,410 --> 00:30:02,480
of course tricksters hosters

708
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:06,420
misdirection misinformation mix that oh

709
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:10,050
yes we need to follow this up and anyone

710
00:30:15,530 --> 00:30:11,730
who wants to take the questions speak up

711
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,540
first is the government UK American

712
00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:18,000
whatever are they engaged in any of this

713
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:20,760
behavior just to misdirect our attention

714
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:23,250
yes okay Chris you know what do you

715
00:30:27,710 --> 00:30:26,640
answer the question so there I I

716
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:27,720
couldn't help it

717
00:30:32,570 --> 00:30:29,730
chime in on that one you know this is

718
00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:32,580
I've always said from the very beginning

719
00:30:36,830 --> 00:30:34,230
of my involvement in this whole mystery

720
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:36,840
that it appears to me in my personal

721
00:30:41,180 --> 00:30:38,610
opinion that there are multiple groups

722
00:30:44,270 --> 00:30:41,190
involved there seems to be various

723
00:30:46,419 --> 00:30:44,280
agendas at work here and one of the

724
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,429
things that I've noticed is you know

725
00:30:52,340 --> 00:30:48,720
cattle mutilations or livestock

726
00:30:55,370 --> 00:30:52,350
mutilations actually fall into several

727
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,380
categories I think Ted did a good job of

728
00:30:59,870 --> 00:30:57,840
defining what a classic mutilation is

729
00:31:02,150 --> 00:30:59,880
but one of the things that I've noticed

730
00:31:04,010 --> 00:31:02,160
is that you seem to see sloppier

731
00:31:05,660 --> 00:31:04,020
mutilations that appear to be high

732
00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:05,670
strange in other words the animal was

733
00:31:10,850 --> 00:31:08,100
killed somehow and then disfigured in

734
00:31:12,980 --> 00:31:10,860
the case of the San Luis Valley with a

735
00:31:15,260 --> 00:31:12,990
sharp implement I haven't only had four

736
00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:15,270
cases that we've scientifically

737
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:17,100
determined high-heat is a cutting agent

738
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:20,490
so most of these cases at least appear

739
00:31:25,490 --> 00:31:23,490
to me an amateur to be done with with a

740
00:31:28,730 --> 00:31:25,500
sharp cutting instrument like a scalpel

741
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:28,740
or a really sharp buck knife and one of

742
00:31:33,410 --> 00:31:30,840
the things that I've noticed is after

743
00:31:36,290 --> 00:31:33,420
we've started maybe a whole slew or a

744
00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:36,300
series of cases the ones at the end of

745
00:31:40,180 --> 00:31:38,220
the series tend to be sloppier they

746
00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:40,190
don't seem to be as professional and

747
00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:43,860
they seem to almost be done in a in a

748
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,020
rushed or hurried manner I've even had

749
00:31:50,869 --> 00:31:48,240
some cases two or three

750
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:50,879
by recollection that seemed to actually

751
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:53,519
be training cases where you would have

752
00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:55,740
what appears to be a very professionally

753
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:57,419
done cut and then it's finished by

754
00:32:01,730 --> 00:31:59,519
somebody that's not quite as proficient

755
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,740
at the actual cutting action with the

756
00:32:06,460 --> 00:32:03,360
sharp implements so you know that

757
00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:06,470
implies a Kris that there is a human

758
00:32:12,909 --> 00:32:09,059
agent involved here this is not being

759
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:12,919
done in a paranormal fashion by ET etc

760
00:32:16,460 --> 00:32:15,090
exactly and that I think that's one of

761
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:16,470
the points that I'm trying to make here

762
00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:19,740
is I personally feel again this is my

763
00:32:24,739 --> 00:32:22,169
own opinion but I feel that a vast

764
00:32:27,619 --> 00:32:24,749
majority of the true mutilation cases

765
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:27,629
and this is after we factored out the

766
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:30,720
misidentified scavenger action I've seen

767
00:32:35,049 --> 00:32:32,970
Magpies for instance and crows create

768
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:35,059
perfect circles in the rear end of cows

769
00:32:40,970 --> 00:32:38,220
pluck out eyes and and and peck out

770
00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:40,980
around the mouth in a way that to the

771
00:32:44,509 --> 00:32:43,320
amateur eye or to a person that doesn't

772
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:44,519
know what they're looking at it appears

773
00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:47,369
hi strange animals do have the capacity

774
00:32:54,649 --> 00:32:52,230
to create unusual cutting type incisions

775
00:32:57,409 --> 00:32:54,659
on animals I don't care who you are I

776
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:57,419
personally have seen this so I think the

777
00:33:02,269 --> 00:32:59,519
bottom line is that we are dealing with

778
00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:02,279
at least in part of this a majority of

779
00:33:06,169 --> 00:33:04,440
these cases in my opinion we are dealing

780
00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:06,179
with human perpetrators that are

781
00:33:11,869 --> 00:33:09,539
involved in this and I know this isn't a

782
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,879
popular theory to the you know folks

783
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:13,679
that really want this to be aliens and

784
00:33:18,649 --> 00:33:15,809
want to be involved in some sort of

785
00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:18,659
fear-based thinking but to my personal

786
00:33:23,869 --> 00:33:21,240
opinion these are done majority of them

787
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:23,879
are done by humans and you know in the

788
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,940
case of Phil's sheep of cases that he's

789
00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:29,039
been investigating there really are very

790
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,460
few predators and scavengers in that

791
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,799
part of the world that are capable of

792
00:33:38,299 --> 00:33:36,720
doing the types of things that that we

793
00:33:40,639 --> 00:33:38,309
see in the West the western United

794
00:33:44,169 --> 00:33:40,649
States so I think Phil's cases are very

795
00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:44,179
important because you don't have that

796
00:33:48,590 --> 00:33:46,919
possible deniability in terms of

797
00:33:50,509 --> 00:33:48,600
scavengers and predators that you do in

798
00:33:51,259 --> 00:33:50,519
the Rocky Mountains or in the western

799
00:33:53,389 --> 00:33:51,269
United States

800
00:33:54,919 --> 00:33:53,399
yeah thanks mencionar come in here

801
00:33:57,710 --> 00:33:54,929
regarding some of the points that chris

802
00:33:59,810 --> 00:33:57,720
has made is that open-minded is the

803
00:34:00,840 --> 00:33:59,820
understatement here in us so much that

804
00:34:03,420 --> 00:34:00,850
it

805
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:03,430
would seem because I've done like

806
00:34:08,970 --> 00:34:06,310
obviously an intense evaluation of Ted's

807
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:08,980
work Linda Morehouse Chris's obviously

808
00:34:13,950 --> 00:34:11,200
part of the research was to study in

809
00:34:16,290 --> 00:34:13,960
in-depth every single item that we could

810
00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:16,300
possibly access on a global scale that's

811
00:34:20,490 --> 00:34:17,590
why the liaisons were actually

812
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:20,500
instigated and what came across in some

813
00:34:25,530 --> 00:34:23,290
so many apps for mutilations was was not

814
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:25,540
only a difference in procedure but it

815
00:34:30,270 --> 00:34:27,930
was to do with geographical differences

816
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:30,280
that in some mutilation if you would

817
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:32,890
have a high degree of technology and in

818
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:35,530
and some others and even worn on

819
00:34:39,060 --> 00:34:37,210
instance I can't recall exactly what

820
00:34:41,610 --> 00:34:39,070
part of the US it was but an actual

821
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:41,620
scalpel was found on that the actual

822
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:45,370
carcass and if you've got et doing

823
00:34:50,850 --> 00:34:49,210
everything you should have really a a

824
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,860
standard set of technologies and

825
00:34:54,030 --> 00:34:52,720
procedures and that quality should be

826
00:34:56,430 --> 00:34:54,040
across the board and that's not what's

827
00:34:57,930 --> 00:34:56,440
been found and I do believe that there

828
00:35:01,320 --> 00:34:57,940
could be a will be a very very big

829
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,330
element of a terrestrial agenda to try

830
00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:03,520
and create fear about the possible

831
00:35:08,850 --> 00:35:06,070
presence of outside intelligence or

832
00:35:10,890 --> 00:35:08,860
unknown intelligences I think that could

833
00:35:13,020 --> 00:35:10,900
be a compare disinformation programs

834
00:35:14,010 --> 00:35:13,030
within programs have been programs it is

835
00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:14,020
very complex

836
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:15,790
you can't just understand this and say

837
00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:18,400
it is X because it is definitely not and

838
00:35:22,290 --> 00:35:20,920
we've seen that in here in the UK but we

839
00:35:24,690 --> 00:35:22,300
have a number of instances have been

840
00:35:26,610 --> 00:35:24,700
quite interesting one of my colleagues a

841
00:35:30,660 --> 00:35:26,620
few years ago about seven or eight years

842
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:30,670
ago had the task of trying to trace some

843
00:35:35,310 --> 00:35:32,290
government establishments that were

844
00:35:37,290 --> 00:35:35,320
connected to investigating investigators

845
00:35:40,110 --> 00:35:37,300
were looking into a lot of people like

846
00:35:42,030 --> 00:35:40,120
ourselves and he called a particular

847
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:42,040
establishment government government of

848
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:43,510
establishment in the north of England

849
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:45,970
and when he started to make enquiries

850
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:48,160
along the lines of animal mutilations

851
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,250
the lady seemed to be wrong-footed and

852
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:53,920
she's actually stated to him you don't

853
00:35:57,570 --> 00:35:55,930
mean the alien problem and that was her

854
00:36:00,360 --> 00:35:57,580
words I mean I wish she had been

855
00:36:02,340 --> 00:36:00,370
recorded and and you know he was and we

856
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:02,350
thinking well you know this just this

857
00:36:08,190 --> 00:36:04,720
woman is obviously a civil servant and

858
00:36:10,350 --> 00:36:08,200
she comes out you know so maybe maybe

859
00:36:13,350 --> 00:36:10,360
it's a situation where she was all pre

860
00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:13,360
prepared to make a disinformation

861
00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:15,550
statement to try and confirm it was

862
00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:18,430
aliens but obviously there's a there's a

863
00:36:24,750 --> 00:36:21,880
lot of very you know very deceptive and

864
00:36:25,590 --> 00:36:24,760
clever policy here say nothing's

865
00:36:29,940 --> 00:36:25,600
clear-cut

866
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:29,950
so I mean no pun intended of course we

867
00:36:35,460 --> 00:36:31,930
have to now just have our raving

868
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:35,470
laughter here so let's just raising

869
00:36:39,180 --> 00:36:37,210
trickster laughter go ahead please fell

870
00:36:41,070 --> 00:36:39,190
well I could say it's it's it's it's not

871
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:41,080
clear-cut this is up for ever reason

872
00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:43,210
this has been done there's got to be a

873
00:36:49,410 --> 00:36:46,390
you know an important important reason

874
00:36:50,850 --> 00:36:49,420
or there's something what's indicated is

875
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:50,860
that maybe they're looking for something

876
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:53,650
obviously like terror said it could be

877
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:56,650
TSE BSC related and that this definite

878
00:37:01,230 --> 00:36:58,330
certain organs and tissues are being

879
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:01,240
sampled I mean we've got instances in in

880
00:37:05,070 --> 00:37:02,770
this two shops or Welsh border where

881
00:37:07,230 --> 00:37:05,080
you've got a situation where if a farmer

882
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:07,240
finds an animal say on the fifth of May

883
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:10,960
in a particular field from the farmhouse

884
00:37:15,630 --> 00:37:14,050
following year within one or day a day

885
00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:15,640
either side of that date they will find

886
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:17,620
another animal killed the same way and

887
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:19,450
again the following year is like the

888
00:37:23,970 --> 00:37:22,090
come back even to the same spot exactly

889
00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:23,980
within a few days from the previous

890
00:37:29,970 --> 00:37:26,950
year's so he is it to do with tracking a

891
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:29,980
genetic contamination of the food chain

892
00:37:34,290 --> 00:37:32,650
through the next newborn of the next

893
00:37:37,020 --> 00:37:34,300
generation because the high intensity

894
00:37:38,580 --> 00:37:37,030
time for the street mutilations is now

895
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:38,590
drawing the lambing season and that's

896
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,690
what we've had a number of new cases so

897
00:37:44,970 --> 00:37:42,880
I mean whatever is going on them they're

898
00:37:47,340 --> 00:37:44,980
spending big you know big sums of money

899
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:47,350
to do this if it's been done and I'll so

900
00:37:52,050 --> 00:37:49,210
obviously we are convinced a lot of it

901
00:37:54,570 --> 00:37:52,060
is been dumped directly but it's also

902
00:37:56,130 --> 00:37:54,580
trying to create this fear that you know

903
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,140
all aliens are coming down and

904
00:38:00,660 --> 00:37:58,240
dissecting everything and doing it you

905
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,670
know what but I also feel there is an

906
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:02,800
element on the paranormal side that

907
00:38:06,930 --> 00:38:04,570
something could be watching what we're

908
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:06,940
doing or vice-versa say this it's we're

909
00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:08,410
still running around in circles to be

910
00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:10,030
quite honest trying to fully understand

911
00:38:13,590 --> 00:38:12,430
this very very complex but also very

912
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:13,600
disturbing phenomena

913
00:38:18,430 --> 00:38:15,130
maybe there's the whole purpose here

914
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:18,440
which is to drive us all nuts

915
00:38:22,930 --> 00:38:20,810
I'm sorry Tommy I think it drives nuts

916
00:38:24,579 --> 00:38:22,940
important how originally thoughtful they

917
00:38:26,170 --> 00:38:24,589
call it a campaign of terror you talked

918
00:38:28,750 --> 00:38:26,180
to a farmer in New Brunswick the last

919
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:28,760
couple years has lost over 100 annals in

920
00:38:31,930 --> 00:38:29,990
this way a winner

921
00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:31,940
and he's talking about the technology

922
00:38:36,940 --> 00:38:34,280
that's being used on an LC scene the

923
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:36,950
industry is time to force the little man

924
00:38:40,510 --> 00:38:38,690
out of the farming business and that's

925
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,520
his fairy that's just big conspiracy

926
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:42,800
theory and it may be right I also have

927
00:38:46,809 --> 00:38:44,510
another one I I have a feeling that the

928
00:38:49,390 --> 00:38:46,819
spread of chronic wasting disease into

929
00:38:52,510 --> 00:38:49,400
the food chain that started back in 96

930
00:38:54,490 --> 00:38:52,520
in Northern Colorado the first counties

931
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:54,500
that seem to be affected by chronic

932
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:56,690
wasting disease in the deer herds for

933
00:39:00,670 --> 00:38:59,359
instance in the elk happened in counties

934
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:00,680
that probably have the highest per

935
00:39:04,809 --> 00:39:02,960
capita involvement in the militia

936
00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:04,819
movements that we saw back in them in

937
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:07,310
the mid to late 90s this brings up a

938
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,710
really interesting point that the the

939
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:12,079
Philip has brought up in and now Ted in

940
00:39:15,579 --> 00:39:14,240
terms of patterning which could possibly

941
00:39:17,950 --> 00:39:15,589
give us some insight into the

942
00:39:20,410 --> 00:39:17,960
motivations behind whatever various

943
00:39:22,270 --> 00:39:20,420
agendas and I do use that in the plural

944
00:39:24,460 --> 00:39:22,280
have you noticed Ted any sort of

945
00:39:26,620 --> 00:39:24,470
patterning in terms of anything that you

946
00:39:29,140 --> 00:39:26,630
can look at and potentially predict

947
00:39:31,150 --> 00:39:29,150
cases I know that I've my head is been

948
00:39:32,140 --> 00:39:31,160
in this place for a long time that one

949
00:39:33,790 --> 00:39:32,150
should relate to us some of the

950
00:39:36,339 --> 00:39:33,800
patterning that you've seen without a

951
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:36,349
doubt there is something you can buy

952
00:39:40,930 --> 00:39:38,569
through booksellers or that your

953
00:39:42,819 --> 00:39:40,940
bookstore it'll give you a date where

954
00:39:44,829 --> 00:39:42,829
all of the mutilations are going to

955
00:39:46,660 --> 00:39:44,839
appear from the book where the kid is

956
00:39:49,660 --> 00:39:46,670
called actually a calendar it is

957
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,670
Llewellyn's metaphysical calendar and

958
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,200
when I got a copy of Llewellyn's

959
00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:52,880
metaphysical calendar it has a days and

960
00:39:57,130 --> 00:39:54,670
the listings of all the famous

961
00:39:59,650 --> 00:39:57,140
non-traditional religion are they so you

962
00:40:02,050 --> 00:39:59,660
can use your imagination there every

963
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:02,060
case that I had in Alabama

964
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,890
landed on one of those days and I think

965
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:05,359
you should turn this over to Phil Hoyle

966
00:40:07,450 --> 00:40:05,839
here

967
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:07,460
well hold on hold on before we go to

968
00:40:12,579 --> 00:40:09,890
Phil on that yeah I thought you kind of

969
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:12,589
gave a blanket sort of denial that you

970
00:40:16,329 --> 00:40:13,730
felt that there was any sort of

971
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,339
potential was as gene put it satanic but

972
00:40:20,589 --> 00:40:18,079
I would broaden it and say a cult

973
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,599
type element here what you're describing

974
00:40:24,190 --> 00:40:22,400
sort of refutes what you said so you

975
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:24,200
feel that there could be some possible

976
00:40:26,970 --> 00:40:26,569
occult correlation here I personally do

977
00:40:29,609 --> 00:40:26,980
not

978
00:40:30,690 --> 00:40:29,619
I think somebody else wants you to okay

979
00:40:33,330 --> 00:40:30,700
I like that good answer

980
00:40:35,340 --> 00:40:33,340
Phil what about you well obviously like

981
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,350
I said I mean I think that the players

982
00:40:40,050 --> 00:40:37,359
that are in charge of this are are

983
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:40,060
orchestrating every avenue they possibly

984
00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:41,970
can to make sure that they get

985
00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:45,190
investigators and in particular away

986
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:47,230
from the true sense but coming back to

987
00:40:51,180 --> 00:40:49,690
the moon face you see part of my work

988
00:40:53,730 --> 00:40:51,190
also is to do with you know

989
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:53,740
investigating people investigating cases

990
00:40:58,530 --> 00:40:57,010
of of unknowns UFO sightings all sorts

991
00:41:00,570 --> 00:40:58,540
of things and there is a connection

992
00:41:03,660 --> 00:41:00,580
between some sightings and the moon face

993
00:41:06,270 --> 00:41:03,670
and so I've seen there too I'll continue

994
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:06,280
you know so I come across people that

995
00:41:10,859 --> 00:41:08,410
you know everyday people I mean farmers

996
00:41:13,410 --> 00:41:10,869
or not a lot of people obviously are not

997
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,420
farmers and the same things that clearly

998
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:15,760
cannot be explained or even even they'll

999
00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:18,160
talk to go back to you know generations

1000
00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:20,760
and there there is an element of

1001
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:23,950
paranormal to this but what percentage

1002
00:41:27,870 --> 00:41:25,930
that's that's the dust that's the key

1003
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:27,880
question we could literally have a

1004
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:30,910
situation where it is a few percent

1005
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:33,850
compared to the vast majority has been

1006
00:41:37,830 --> 00:41:36,160
put under satanic cults and it's

1007
00:41:39,150 --> 00:41:37,840
definitely not satanic cult in any shape

1008
00:41:41,790 --> 00:41:39,160
or form we talk to police officers

1009
00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:41,800
ourselves who work in areas to do with

1010
00:41:45,870 --> 00:41:43,750
all sorts of these peripheral subjects

1011
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:45,880
and they said this does not carry the

1012
00:41:49,890 --> 00:41:47,530
signature in any shape or form to

1013
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:49,900
satanic cults predators definitely not I

1014
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:52,480
mean if they do I mean I've had farmers

1015
00:41:56,070 --> 00:41:54,730
you know say to me that's the injuries

1016
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:56,080
that we've been looking at I've been

1017
00:41:59,940 --> 00:41:58,000
caused by squirrels and foxes and

1018
00:42:01,740 --> 00:41:59,950
badgers and I said well if that's the

1019
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:01,750
case they they really do need to be

1020
00:42:06,090 --> 00:42:03,850
urgently recruited into the National

1021
00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:06,100
Health System so they can contribute in

1022
00:42:12,090 --> 00:42:10,150
to their surgeries it's just it's just

1023
00:42:14,340 --> 00:42:12,100
absolutely beyond belief that some of

1024
00:42:16,380 --> 00:42:14,350
the actual explanations so I mean with

1025
00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:16,390
sometimes we just cringe and think well

1026
00:42:20,670 --> 00:42:18,790
you know the earth is not flat in the

1027
00:42:21,930 --> 00:42:20,680
moon it's not made of cheese so but I

1028
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:21,940
mean that's what people want to believe

1029
00:42:26,340 --> 00:42:24,160
or they've been told by people and they

1030
00:42:29,580 --> 00:42:26,350
don't question accepted it and that's

1031
00:42:31,530 --> 00:42:29,590
what we can't do we cannot accept the

1032
00:42:33,690 --> 00:42:31,540
college to change and when you

1033
00:42:35,849 --> 00:42:33,700
understand one part it evolves or

1034
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:35,859
changes or metamorphoses into something

1035
00:42:39,870 --> 00:42:37,690
else you forever thinking well you know

1036
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:39,880
where do we go from here you literally

1037
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:40,130
all

1038
00:42:44,530 --> 00:42:42,890
you're going back to basics and to the

1039
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:44,540
drawing board and you're constantly

1040
00:42:48,940 --> 00:42:46,310
having to try out to which something

1041
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:48,950
that's trying to outwit you so in in

1042
00:42:53,380 --> 00:42:51,290
that context you know it's it's to say

1043
00:42:54,270 --> 00:42:53,390
it's it can give you a more than a

1044
00:42:57,310 --> 00:42:54,280
headache

1045
00:42:58,810 --> 00:42:57,320
but at the end of the day that we've got

1046
00:43:01,000 --> 00:42:58,820
a situation where we've got people

1047
00:43:02,830 --> 00:43:01,010
claiming all sorts of things and we're

1048
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:02,840
having to really document and look for

1049
00:43:07,180 --> 00:43:04,850
common denominators consistencies in

1050
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:07,190
testimony in what they say what happens

1051
00:43:11,770 --> 00:43:10,130
where it happens what times is relevant

1052
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:11,780
to moon phase all these little things

1053
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:14,720
we're looking at the whole spectrum of

1054
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:17,090
different ideas and theories and just

1055
00:43:21,550 --> 00:43:19,370
trying to quantify really what's taking

1056
00:43:23,260 --> 00:43:21,560
place in front of us and it's no easy

1057
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:23,270
task but I mean it sometimes I think

1058
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:24,800
we're going forward and others leaving

1059
00:43:27,970 --> 00:43:25,610
we're going backwards

1060
00:43:31,450 --> 00:43:27,980
two steps back four steps forward or

1061
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:33,770
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1074
00:44:22,590 --> 00:44:19,180
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1075
00:44:24,570 --> 00:44:22,600
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1077
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1078
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:29,470
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1079
00:44:33,210 --> 00:44:31,570
have Christopher O'Brien as our guest

1080
00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:33,220
host we're talking about animal

1081
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:36,190
mutilations not just cattle and we have

1082
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:36,850
with us

1083
00:44:41,610 --> 00:44:39,970
Tayloe lephant and Philip oil and in a

1084
00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:41,620
few minutes we'll let you know about

1085
00:44:46,260 --> 00:44:43,390
their various affiliations we're trying

1086
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:46,270
to explore some of the cases now maybe

1087
00:44:51,060 --> 00:44:48,850
this is a good time then Philip or Ted

1088
00:44:54,420 --> 00:44:51,070
whoever wants to volunteer let's talk

1089
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:54,430
about a classic case in detail as to an

1090
00:44:59,070 --> 00:44:56,530
animal mutilation one for which there is

1091
00:45:05,430 --> 00:44:59,080
no solution already solution who wants

1092
00:45:09,390 --> 00:45:05,440
to be well batang first what oil was

1093
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:09,400
seen in england from the UK it's totally

1094
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:10,960
different than what I saw in Alabama

1095
00:45:17,580 --> 00:45:16,210
1992 and 1993 and and you know the other

1096
00:45:19,980 --> 00:45:17,590
thing point I want to make out is you

1097
00:45:22,290 --> 00:45:19,990
know all the animals have females

1098
00:45:24,990 --> 00:45:22,300
okay the cows do a mutilated have calves

1099
00:45:27,390 --> 00:45:25,000
within two weeks of being mutilated some

1100
00:45:30,810 --> 00:45:27,400
were being away while they were in the

1101
00:45:33,150 --> 00:45:30,820
birth process I think that's important

1102
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:33,160
we're talking about CSE's being studied

1103
00:45:37,590 --> 00:45:36,160
because CFCs are you know see Gaz or BSC

1104
00:45:38,970 --> 00:45:37,600
or whatever

1105
00:45:40,890 --> 00:45:38,980
only transferred from the mother to the

1106
00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:40,900
offspring during the birth process not

1107
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:43,150
gestation but during the birth process

1108
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:45,250
so that's interesting with some examples

1109
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:46,570
of indeed wait a while they were giving

1110
00:45:50,670 --> 00:45:48,730
birth as well as before now after are

1111
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:50,680
you assuming that you actually have some

1112
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:53,170
reason to mutilate them at that point in

1113
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:58,480
time the analyst has reproductive organs

1114
00:46:01,880 --> 00:45:59,920
are low that's a very curious new case

1115
00:46:04,410 --> 00:46:01,890
and what and the way it was done in the

1116
00:46:05,790 --> 00:46:04,420
damage I've seen through the tissue into

1117
00:46:07,350 --> 00:46:05,800
the wounds and the incisions on the

1118
00:46:09,450 --> 00:46:07,360
animals it fills on the same something

1119
00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:09,460
totally different than I saw all right

1120
00:46:13,260 --> 00:46:11,320
well that is even more interesting

1121
00:46:16,290 --> 00:46:13,270
subject here which is why is it

1122
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:16,300
different in the USA compared to the UK

1123
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:22,720
shouldn't it all be the same thing right

1124
00:46:28,020 --> 00:46:24,970
now okay Phil what do you think why is

1125
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:28,030
it different in the UK than the USA well

1126
00:46:32,010 --> 00:46:30,610
like so that's the 64 million dollar

1127
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:32,020
question there's so much there should be

1128
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:33,910
a global consistency if it's to do with

1129
00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:35,530
if aliens are doing it because the

1130
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:36,670
technology should be able to be

1131
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:39,130
delivered instantaneously to any part of

1132
00:46:44,970 --> 00:46:41,410
the world and it's clearly not and this

1133
00:46:47,070 --> 00:46:44,980
seems to be a procedural difference of

1134
00:46:48,810 --> 00:46:47,080
Technology difference I mean just coming

1135
00:46:52,050 --> 00:46:48,820
back slightly to what Ted just mentioned

1136
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:52,060
about animals being actually mutilated

1137
00:46:56,130 --> 00:46:53,770
in the process of giving birth week

1138
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:56,140
became across a case around ten years

1139
00:47:03,180 --> 00:46:58,720
ago at a small farm again on the Welsh

1140
00:47:07,350 --> 00:47:03,190
border where you was actually found and

1141
00:47:09,780 --> 00:47:07,360
mutilated but also in the process of

1142
00:47:12,570 --> 00:47:09,790
giving birth to a lamb the lamb was

1143
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:12,580
found its body partly out of the birth

1144
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:15,250
canal but the lamb had been decapitated

1145
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:17,710
and obviously the head was never found

1146
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:18,970
so it was actually killed and

1147
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:21,520
decapitated in the process of birth so

1148
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:24,880
we have found that here and when we look

1149
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:26,800
at the some of the actual like the

1150
00:47:33,330 --> 00:47:30,880
injuries when maybe it's a bit different

1151
00:47:36,210 --> 00:47:33,340
in as much in the u.s. especially in the

1152
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:36,220
areas that's in a Colorado and so forth

1153
00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:38,890
is that this country has in the winter

1154
00:47:43,290 --> 00:47:41,710
an enormous amount of rainfall and we

1155
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:43,300
can we access some areas and it's

1156
00:47:48,090 --> 00:47:45,850
literally not a footprint in in very

1157
00:47:49,790 --> 00:47:48,100
deep mud so everything we're doing this

1158
00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:49,800
is Guara coming and the

1159
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:51,420
you can scan not access that you

1160
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:54,300
couldn't access it by by any shape or

1161
00:47:58,940 --> 00:47:57,210
forming on the road or a quad bike or

1162
00:48:01,070 --> 00:47:58,950
anything you believe too many tracks so

1163
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:01,080
I mean it must be airborne to a great

1164
00:48:06,140 --> 00:48:03,330
deal of with this and it's a situation

1165
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,150
where that you can rule out the village

1166
00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:08,160
idiot or satanic cult instantly because

1167
00:48:12,020 --> 00:48:09,480
I don't know of any that can have Allen

1168
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:12,030
copters so I mean we've all these

1169
00:48:15,170 --> 00:48:13,200
different things are taking place

1170
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:15,180
we've got got a number of farms one in

1171
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:16,370
particular that we're actually

1172
00:48:22,430 --> 00:48:19,170
monitoring we have a number of cameras

1173
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,440
that there are motion sensor stealth

1174
00:48:26,030 --> 00:48:24,480
cameras that can take up to five

1175
00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:26,040
thousand photographs in about two and

1176
00:48:30,110 --> 00:48:27,960
our phasers and video clips and these

1177
00:48:32,180 --> 00:48:30,120
are picking up unusual things that we

1178
00:48:34,460 --> 00:48:32,190
can't explain at the moments of spheres

1179
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:34,470
of light and small spheres and there's a

1180
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,450
lot of helicopter monitoring activities

1181
00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:38,640
so something important is going on in

1182
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:40,260
these areas and you know we're just

1183
00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:43,410
constantly trying to find new evidence

1184
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:45,240
that might turn around and say you know

1185
00:48:54,980 --> 00:48:47,970
point us in the direction of what or who

1186
00:48:57,500 --> 00:48:54,990
or why this has been done that's really

1187
00:49:00,410 --> 00:48:57,510
that's a really good point to continue

1188
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:00,420
we had a lot of them and and they say

1189
00:49:03,140 --> 00:49:01,650
you know unmarked you know it's all

1190
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:03,150
conspiracy theory well there were in

1191
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,800
March Alex ah Chris yeah hey even

1192
00:49:07,070 --> 00:49:06,000
something tried to hail them on the

1193
00:49:09,610 --> 00:49:07,080
radio and they rate they would not

1194
00:49:12,140 --> 00:49:09,620
respond to the FAA even so it was

1195
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:12,150
something's and we knew that helicopters

1196
00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:13,560
were landing and refueling on the mouth

1197
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:15,630
water and first airborne Fort Campbell

1198
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,730
Kentucky and they wouldn't land at

1199
00:49:22,070 --> 00:49:19,680
Redstone Arsenal you land in a private

1200
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:22,080
airfield on Staten Island and they would

1201
00:49:26,060 --> 00:49:23,370
come in with to show no speed on low

1202
00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:26,070
fuel waters and then dozens of small

1203
00:49:29,780 --> 00:49:27,420
scholarships would come in and they'd

1204
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:29,790
refuel then they take off I don't have a

1205
00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:32,310
newspaper call out the 101st and

1206
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:34,980
following Monday and talk to major

1207
00:49:38,270 --> 00:49:36,930
Griffin's and say well did you have any

1208
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:38,280
other craft necessary on the Oh know

1209
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:43,500
whether or not they wouldn't

1210
00:49:46,789 --> 00:49:45,450
you know it's like anybody else in the

1211
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:46,799
government you don't get the truth out

1212
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:52,999
would be the question would be then Ted

1213
00:49:59,059 --> 00:49:55,529
if Rahm Emanuel called them up and said

1214
00:50:01,099 --> 00:49:59,069
I need to know will you have to have an

1215
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:01,109
answer at that point or will they just

1216
00:50:07,970 --> 00:50:03,930
lie to anybody well you know what we'd

1217
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:07,980
hoped for was a mechanical failure we'll

1218
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,250
come down and we could under some

1219
00:50:15,049 --> 00:50:13,200
circumstance one who would come down and

1220
00:50:17,059 --> 00:50:15,059
that we could find out who was in the

1221
00:50:18,799 --> 00:50:17,069
helicopter right and then what we were

1222
00:50:19,849 --> 00:50:18,809
gonna do we're gonna rest a bit who ever

1223
00:50:21,289 --> 00:50:19,859
came to pick them up we're gonna arrest

1224
00:50:24,289 --> 00:50:21,299
them until we finally found out who was

1225
00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:24,299
ahead of it all but we know then one

1226
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:26,609
helicopter didn't go down I was witness

1227
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,130
and they said had all sorts of crazy

1228
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:30,720
electrical equipment inside of it and

1229
00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:34,079
they roped it off real quick that was

1230
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:35,400
not in our County that was one County

1231
00:50:39,799 --> 00:50:37,490
over but it was all the same time so

1232
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:39,809
helicopters you know somebody's got some

1233
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:42,569
money and you know if it is a campaign

1234
00:50:46,249 --> 00:50:43,170
of terror

1235
00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:46,259
I usually suggest and or if it is a

1236
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:47,910
conspiracy to wipe out the little man

1237
00:50:52,700 --> 00:50:51,690
and finding as Lerner suggests I think

1238
00:50:54,589 --> 00:50:52,710
it's a I think it's a valid question

1239
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:54,599
that at this point there is that also

1240
00:50:59,660 --> 00:50:57,839
part of it now you know it's not any one

1241
00:51:00,829 --> 00:50:59,670
thing you talk about it's you know when

1242
00:51:02,359 --> 00:51:00,839
my piece or anything it might be five

1243
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:02,369
days a week seven things you have no

1244
00:51:05,509 --> 00:51:03,450
idea what you're dealing with

1245
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,519
that makes it doubly difficult the one

1246
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:07,440
thing I want to point out based on your

1247
00:51:14,569 --> 00:51:09,690
very interesting observation about the

1248
00:51:17,269 --> 00:51:14,579
helicopter activity down in your area we

1249
00:51:18,859 --> 00:51:17,279
we had two County Sheriff's Department's

1250
00:51:20,420 --> 00:51:18,869
that actually attempted to shoot down

1251
00:51:23,509 --> 00:51:20,430
helicopters that were being spotted

1252
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:23,519
around mutilation sites and in one

1253
00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:25,890
instance they actually hit the engine

1254
00:51:30,529 --> 00:51:29,460
and caused it to start smoking and they

1255
00:51:32,299 --> 00:51:30,539
were hoping that they had actually

1256
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:32,309
literally shot it down because there

1257
00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:34,410
were so many cases occurring almost

1258
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:37,500
nightly in the fall of 75 in the fall of

1259
00:51:52,789 --> 00:51:42,480
77 that the machine that was shooting

1260
00:51:54,769 --> 00:51:52,799
trying to bring them down so I like what

1261
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:54,779
that means to people who aren't somebody

1262
00:52:00,140 --> 00:51:58,079
all that stuff well you know what we got

1263
00:52:01,969 --> 00:52:00,150
some reporters one came down in our area

1264
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:01,979
where the crime scenes when John and was

1265
00:52:06,859 --> 00:52:05,249
unmarked I'm sure that we and several

1266
00:52:09,229 --> 00:52:06,869
other people have open fire you cannot

1267
00:52:10,669 --> 00:52:09,239
buy Howard rifle on sand now when there

1268
00:52:13,219 --> 00:52:10,679
are calorie laces up there they're all

1269
00:52:14,659 --> 00:52:13,229
sold out all the gun stores disorder I

1270
00:52:17,209 --> 00:52:14,669
powered rifles under these license were

1271
00:52:18,499 --> 00:52:17,219
happening kids were pissed and they were

1272
00:52:21,739 --> 00:52:18,509
gonna take one down we were gonna take

1273
00:52:24,349 --> 00:52:21,749
one down Wow well I guess you know these

1274
00:52:26,589 --> 00:52:24,359
ranchers they once they get to a point

1275
00:52:28,729 --> 00:52:26,599
where X number of cases have occurred

1276
00:52:30,169 --> 00:52:28,739
everybody goes into a place of fear

1277
00:52:32,059 --> 00:52:30,179
especially when the media gets involved

1278
00:52:36,279 --> 00:52:32,069
and starts ratcheting up the the fear

1279
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,289
element it's based on my experience

1280
00:52:40,669 --> 00:52:38,880
people tend to start to do things that

1281
00:52:43,969 --> 00:52:40,679
normally they wouldn't they wouldn't do

1282
00:52:47,809 --> 00:52:43,979
and I think to protect the livelihood to

1283
00:52:48,380 --> 00:52:47,819
protect their families to protect their

1284
00:52:51,019 --> 00:52:48,390
airspace

1285
00:52:52,729 --> 00:52:51,029
I mean people I think once they get to a

1286
00:52:54,019 --> 00:52:52,739
certain breaking point they're prone to

1287
00:52:57,199 --> 00:52:54,029
do things that they normally I think

1288
00:52:59,479 --> 00:52:57,209
wouldn't do and we definitely saw this

1289
00:53:01,459 --> 00:52:59,489
happen based on you know extensive

1290
00:53:04,729 --> 00:53:01,469
interviews with county sheriff's in the

1291
00:53:07,130 --> 00:53:04,739
area during the mid you know mid to late

1292
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:07,140
70s in the San Luis Valley I mean there

1293
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:08,640
were posses out there waiting for

1294
00:53:13,069 --> 00:53:10,650
helicopters to come down from the Taylor

1295
00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:13,079
ranch where many people thought that

1296
00:53:19,849 --> 00:53:16,169
these these teams were being based out

1297
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:19,859
of they would find ambush them the

1298
00:53:24,739 --> 00:53:22,049
military or whoever's and these

1299
00:53:26,659 --> 00:53:24,749
helicopters got thermographic infrared

1300
00:53:28,609 --> 00:53:26,669
you know scanners on their sucker so

1301
00:53:30,380 --> 00:53:28,619
they can see you and they can see and

1302
00:53:33,169 --> 00:53:30,390
you for delays off before you ever see

1303
00:53:34,669 --> 00:53:33,179
them and you know it's videos you know

1304
00:53:36,589 --> 00:53:34,679
as they can see you and they can judge

1305
00:53:36,859 --> 00:53:36,599
stuff like that units like I talked

1306
00:53:39,169 --> 00:53:36,869
about

1307
00:53:40,729 --> 00:53:39,179
there were graphic in for its getting

1308
00:53:43,309 --> 00:53:40,739
the when you're having a butyl Asians up

1309
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:43,319
in Alabama that you know they can see

1310
00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:44,880
which cows are colder than other ones

1311
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:46,529
the first thing that goes on animals the

1312
00:53:50,299 --> 00:53:47,729
grooving die is the peripheral

1313
00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:50,309
circulatory system is shuts down so the

1314
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:51,569
animals are in different temperatures

1315
00:53:54,439 --> 00:53:53,249
all the other animals in the field if

1316
00:53:56,449 --> 00:53:54,449
you can see the animal that's got a

1317
00:53:57,859 --> 00:53:56,459
different temperature you can find was

1318
00:53:58,760 --> 00:53:57,869
gonna die any we can find out why it's

1319
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,770
gonna die

1320
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:00,240
that's a good point one of the things

1321
00:54:04,370 --> 00:54:02,250
that always impressed me about Gabe

1322
00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:04,380
Valdez who was a New Mexico State

1323
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:07,500
patrolman in the Dulce New Mexico area

1324
00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:10,050
during the late 70s one of the things

1325
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:13,020
that he felt very strongly was that

1326
00:54:18,770 --> 00:54:16,290
certain animals were being pre targeted

1327
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:18,780
for mutilations and in one case they

1328
00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:20,610
even found florescent paint material

1329
00:54:25,790 --> 00:54:23,400
that had been painted on the on the tops

1330
00:54:28,940 --> 00:54:25,800
of the animals almost in a way so that

1331
00:54:32,359 --> 00:54:28,950
they could be seen and and picked up by

1332
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:32,369
from the air and of course to the eye

1333
00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:34,050
you couldn't see this paint but it as

1334
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:35,460
soon as you threw a black light on it it

1335
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,400
would fluoresce and be clearly marked I

1336
00:54:43,460 --> 00:54:41,040
want to before we get too far away from

1337
00:54:46,370 --> 00:54:43,470
the whole idea of correlations and

1338
00:54:49,010 --> 00:54:46,380
patterning I'd love to ask both Ted and

1339
00:54:51,410 --> 00:54:49,020
Phil here you know moon phase

1340
00:54:54,350 --> 00:54:51,420
correlation is something early on that I

1341
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,360
really felt was a very strong potential

1342
00:54:59,930 --> 00:54:57,119
for you know some sort of determination

1343
00:55:02,120 --> 00:54:59,940
of a pattern Ted did you ever the first

1344
00:55:06,830 --> 00:55:02,130
time I asked Ted that Phil did you ever

1345
00:55:09,140 --> 00:55:06,840
see any sort of time correlation to a

1346
00:55:13,580 --> 00:55:09,150
moon cycle and if you did what was that

1347
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:13,590
no moon phases when we were doing this

1348
00:55:21,980 --> 00:55:19,170
really well do you realize that there's

1349
00:55:23,540 --> 00:55:21,990
there's a moon phase that's in the the

1350
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:23,550
for instance the Farmers Almanac there's

1351
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:27,359
certain nights where I think it's around

1352
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:29,490
the full moon that blood flows easier

1353
00:55:36,109 --> 00:55:33,119
and it's it's more efficient to

1354
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:36,119
slaughter an animal before and after I

1355
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:37,680
think it's two or three days before two

1356
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:39,570
or three days after a full moon did you

1357
00:55:45,020 --> 00:55:43,920
know that how about you fell you

1358
00:55:48,109 --> 00:55:45,030
mentioned a moon phase correlation

1359
00:55:50,359 --> 00:55:48,119
unprompted give us some insight into

1360
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:50,369
your thinking on that well yes uh like I

1361
00:55:55,220 --> 00:55:52,980
said earlier that we're looking at every

1362
00:55:58,340 --> 00:55:55,230
every aspect and every part of the

1363
00:56:00,859 --> 00:55:58,350
spectrum to do this and the moon face

1364
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:00,869
came in the course obviously we were

1365
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:02,970
checking obviously the dates that

1366
00:56:06,769 --> 00:56:05,520
animals were discovered against moon

1367
00:56:09,140 --> 00:56:06,779
phase

1368
00:56:12,499 --> 00:56:09,150
and obviously the connection to do with

1369
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:12,509
female menstrual cycle and ovulation and

1370
00:56:16,939 --> 00:56:14,729
another fact is when the moon phase have

1371
00:56:18,859 --> 00:56:16,949
has an influence so we were looking at

1372
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:18,869
this to thinking well are there certain

1373
00:56:24,469 --> 00:56:22,130
L of eighty times of the month that the

1374
00:56:26,659 --> 00:56:24,479
perpetrators would target the animals so

1375
00:56:28,759 --> 00:56:26,669
we could preempt that by being in

1376
00:56:31,309 --> 00:56:28,769
certain areas and maybe to monitor and

1377
00:56:34,130 --> 00:56:31,319
obviously detect the true perpetrators

1378
00:56:37,059 --> 00:56:34,140
so it's it's it's another additional

1379
00:56:40,249 --> 00:56:37,069
part of the ongoing endless

1380
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:40,259
investigation X and extension of our

1381
00:56:44,689 --> 00:56:42,569
thinking pans coming back to one of the

1382
00:56:47,929 --> 00:56:44,699
points you've just made regarding the

1383
00:56:51,339 --> 00:56:47,939
pre selection if I recall the this like

1384
00:56:56,809 --> 00:56:51,349
paint substance that was detected with

1385
00:56:59,059 --> 00:56:56,819
game valdez was comprised of a magnesium

1386
00:57:01,959 --> 00:56:59,069
and potassium obviously that can only be

1387
00:57:04,729 --> 00:57:01,969
detected through a viewed by the use of

1388
00:57:06,589 --> 00:57:04,739
blacklight but but that in in particular

1389
00:57:08,329 --> 00:57:06,599
something that's always always been

1390
00:57:10,429 --> 00:57:08,339
something's puzzled me because there

1391
00:57:11,989 --> 00:57:10,439
were a number of the mutilations in the

1392
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:11,999
shop the world's borders the the

1393
00:57:16,219 --> 00:57:14,249
intelligences behind the mutilations

1394
00:57:18,739 --> 00:57:16,229
have the ability to come in again and

1395
00:57:21,229 --> 00:57:18,749
again and again over a pier of sometimes

1396
00:57:23,929 --> 00:57:21,239
up to a week plus and actually actually

1397
00:57:32,179 --> 00:57:23,939
access the same carcass and take another

1398
00:57:36,829 --> 00:57:32,189
piece away up tissue letters would come

1399
00:57:38,659 --> 00:57:36,839
back weeks later yeah well we in one

1400
00:57:41,419 --> 00:57:38,669
case a particular in particular the

1401
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:41,429
obviously they came back every night for

1402
00:57:45,769 --> 00:57:43,529
about a week and took another part of

1403
00:57:47,659 --> 00:57:45,779
the animal and tissue away and we could

1404
00:57:49,099 --> 00:57:47,669
never understand why wouldn't these

1405
00:57:50,539 --> 00:57:49,109
eight in terms of just take that the

1406
00:57:51,949 --> 00:57:50,549
animal if they wanted it they just

1407
00:57:52,729 --> 00:57:51,959
seemed to be able to walking and do it

1408
00:57:55,429 --> 00:57:52,739
and walk out again

1409
00:57:58,009 --> 00:57:55,439
and as you said earlier at the you know

1410
00:58:01,579 --> 00:57:58,019
even these little groups of the farmers

1411
00:58:03,079 --> 00:58:01,589
in the area of structural whales that a

1412
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:03,089
lot of them wouldn't actually tell their

1413
00:58:06,709 --> 00:58:04,799
neighbors what was going on because they

1414
00:58:09,380 --> 00:58:06,719
just felt it was something that was

1415
00:58:11,419 --> 00:58:09,390
derogatory to their farming methods or

1416
00:58:13,189 --> 00:58:11,429
personally and that these animals were

1417
00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:13,199
dying in mysterious circumstances they

1418
00:58:17,179 --> 00:58:14,729
won't even tell their closest neighbors

1419
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:17,189
but what they were doing is the families

1420
00:58:21,020 --> 00:58:18,570
were actually you know

1421
00:58:24,020 --> 00:58:21,030
late at night used using night vision

1422
00:58:26,900 --> 00:58:24,030
and cameras and binoculars trying to

1423
00:58:28,550 --> 00:58:26,910
attack these these seasons and in some

1424
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:28,560
of the cases to the north of England

1425
00:58:31,790 --> 00:58:29,610
that we were involved with

1426
00:58:33,740 --> 00:58:31,800
I mean farmers were you know staying up

1427
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:33,750
in one particular case that they stayed

1428
00:58:38,090 --> 00:58:35,490
up fits all night long

1429
00:58:39,470 --> 00:58:38,100
monitoring a certain area and they saw

1430
00:58:41,630 --> 00:58:39,480
absolutely nothing they heard absolutely

1431
00:58:42,740 --> 00:58:41,640
nothing but when the Sun came up there

1432
00:58:45,590 --> 00:58:42,750
in front of them where a number of

1433
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:45,600
mutilated sheep they also had the early

1434
00:58:50,420 --> 00:58:47,760
side nothing they saw nothing they saw

1435
00:58:52,190 --> 00:58:50,430
and heard nothing you know that's what

1436
00:58:53,780 --> 00:58:52,200
they claimed to us but they did say that

1437
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:53,790
you know what they were used in the

1438
00:58:58,370 --> 00:58:55,650
early versions of the stealth cameras

1439
00:59:00,410 --> 00:58:58,380
and on those cameras that they'd all

1440
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:00,420
they captured where white spheres or

1441
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:02,640
columns of light or energy that there's

1442
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:05,010
nothing else on the SD cards so I mean

1443
00:59:09,290 --> 00:59:07,410
it's it's constantly you know we it's a

1444
00:59:11,570 --> 00:59:09,300
it's a most baffling subject you can

1445
00:59:13,850 --> 00:59:11,580
ever imagine that's a good point at

1446
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:13,860
which to split for our number two the

1447
00:59:18,980 --> 00:59:16,110
baffling subject for most baffling

1448
00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:18,990
subject ever imagined and we'll try to

1449
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:21,750
find out ways to make it less baffling

1450
00:59:26,570 --> 00:59:24,330
with Phil Hoyle Ted Olaf and our special

1451
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:26,580
guest host is Christopher O'Brien we'll

1452
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:28,650
be back on the other side of the power

1453
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:34,170
casts we want to hear from you if you

1454
00:59:38,810 --> 00:59:35,610
have a comment or question about the

1455
00:59:42,350 --> 00:59:38,820
pair cast send it to news at the podcast

1456
00:59:44,540 --> 00:59:42,360
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1457
00:59:45,770 --> 00:59:44,550
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1458
00:59:48,740 --> 00:59:45,780
where you can talk to fellow listeners

1459
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:48,750
just go to the pair cast calm and click

1460
00:59:59,940 --> 00:59:50,970
on the forum links that's the forum

1461
01:00:08,740 --> 01:00:02,349
welcome back to the parrot house with

1462
01:00:12,190 --> 01:00:11,559
our special guest host is the trickster

1463
01:00:14,380 --> 01:00:12,200
himself

1464
01:00:17,140 --> 01:00:14,390
Christopher O'Brien let's have a little

1465
01:00:18,490 --> 01:00:17,150
trickster commentary there I'd be the

1466
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:18,500
clicks there they'd be cutting up your

1467
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:20,690
cows and sheep Oh Oh God

1468
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:23,359
you know I said don't quit your day job

1469
01:00:28,540 --> 01:00:25,210
but this is his day job

1470
01:00:29,620 --> 01:00:28,550
we have Phil Hoyle and he's with a guy

1471
01:00:33,460 --> 01:00:29,630
you were saying

1472
01:00:35,470 --> 01:00:33,470
I heard that Ted although it only came

1473
01:00:38,260 --> 01:00:35,480
across kinda half at the half-assed I

1474
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:38,270
think Ted just basically we don't wanna

1475
01:01:10,980 --> 01:00:39,920
mention what he just did we're family

1476
01:01:15,819 --> 01:01:13,569
okay are you sure that's you it looks

1477
01:01:19,870 --> 01:01:15,829
like yeah there you are they are Charlie

1478
01:01:23,410 --> 01:01:19,880
I used to I lost 40 pounds when I shaved

1479
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:23,420
my head you got watch those young girls

1480
01:01:30,130 --> 01:01:27,200
I did the same thing young girl from

1481
01:01:35,050 --> 01:01:30,140
Brooklyn New York and now it's 400,000

1482
01:01:37,329 --> 01:01:35,060
years later okay they say Mazel Tov

1483
01:01:39,790 --> 01:01:37,339
where we are fella poil where do we find

1484
01:01:44,170 --> 01:01:39,800
more of the things that you do well our

1485
01:01:47,650 --> 01:01:44,180
animal mutilation site is can be found

1486
01:01:50,829 --> 01:01:47,660
at the APF you.org and it stands for

1487
01:01:52,140 --> 01:01:50,839
like animal pathology field unit it was

1488
01:01:54,490 --> 01:01:52,150
actually the name was derived

1489
01:01:56,620 --> 01:01:54,500
deliberately to separate it away from

1490
01:01:59,410 --> 01:01:56,630
any UFO connection because obviously us

1491
01:02:03,790 --> 01:01:59,420
we're talking about the jerries is still

1492
01:02:07,660 --> 01:02:03,800
out so that's covering the site covers

1493
01:02:10,030 --> 01:02:07,670
all the UK mutilations that virtually

1494
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:10,040
ever been detected cuz obviously we've

1495
01:02:15,010 --> 01:02:11,920
liaised and cooperate with all

1496
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:15,020
previously our mutilation investigators

1497
01:02:18,790 --> 01:02:16,310
for the UK and

1498
01:02:22,690 --> 01:02:18,800
that can be found virtually is on his on

1499
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:22,700
that site and obviously this it's an

1500
01:02:26,020 --> 01:02:24,290
ongoing learning curve at the moment

1501
01:02:27,730 --> 01:02:26,030
there is so many new cases that we are

1502
01:02:29,860 --> 01:02:27,740
detecting along down this disruption

1503
01:02:32,380 --> 01:02:29,870
Welsh border there another part that are

1504
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:32,390
active as well some of my colleagues are

1505
01:02:37,030 --> 01:02:34,730
working down in the Dartmoor area and

1506
01:02:38,770 --> 01:02:37,040
there's been a number of cases some back

1507
01:02:42,670 --> 01:02:38,780
to the seventies where ponies have been

1508
01:02:44,410 --> 01:02:42,680
killed in in the same way and at the end

1509
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:44,420
of the day is to do with awareness the

1510
01:02:48,550 --> 01:02:45,920
farmers and the general public aren't

1511
01:02:51,310 --> 01:02:48,560
aware of the phenomena so a lot of these

1512
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:51,320
these incidents go unreported Chris you

1513
01:02:55,540 --> 01:02:53,210
had a concern which I guess I do too

1514
01:02:58,060 --> 01:02:55,550
about possibly the use of too much

1515
01:03:00,880 --> 01:02:58,070
jargon in some of the commentary maybe

1516
01:03:03,700 --> 01:03:00,890
define a few terms well one of the

1517
01:03:06,580 --> 01:03:03,710
things that both Ted and I have I think

1518
01:03:08,380 --> 01:03:06,590
agreed on for quite some time prior to

1519
01:03:10,060 --> 01:03:08,390
the National Institute discovery

1520
01:03:12,220 --> 01:03:10,070
scientists and comme Kelleher coming out

1521
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:12,230
with a theory that somehow this could

1522
01:03:18,190 --> 01:03:15,050
this whole phenomenon could be some sort

1523
01:03:20,460 --> 01:03:18,200
of monitoring of the food chain for what

1524
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:20,470
are known as transmissible spongiform

1525
01:03:24,850 --> 01:03:21,920
encephalopathy

1526
01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:24,860
basically in a nutshell these are these

1527
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:26,270
are miss folded proteins

1528
01:03:31,770 --> 01:03:28,970
everybody has prions in them but

1529
01:03:35,110 --> 01:03:31,780
something some environmental factor

1530
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:35,120
tends to kick off occasionally these

1531
01:03:41,350 --> 01:03:37,450
prions and make them or replicate and

1532
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:41,360
miss folded and then they replicate one

1533
01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:42,530
of the things that Ted brought up

1534
01:03:47,170 --> 01:03:44,510
earlier had to do with mad cow disease

1535
01:03:50,590 --> 01:03:47,180
and the possible linking of these animal

1536
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:50,600
mutilation outbreaks to the monitoring

1537
01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:51,920
of the food chain

1538
01:03:56,530 --> 01:03:54,110
one of the things that I think we need

1539
01:03:58,540 --> 01:03:56,540
to do first of all is to make sure our

1540
01:04:00,490 --> 01:03:58,550
audience is aware of what we're talking

1541
01:04:03,370 --> 01:04:00,500
about basically what we're talking about

1542
01:04:07,540 --> 01:04:03,380
is a is is it's called prion disease and

1543
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:07,550
this is the TSE acronym stands for

1544
01:04:12,220 --> 01:04:09,920
transmissible spongiform encephalopathy

1545
01:04:15,790 --> 01:04:12,230
and basically what we're talking about

1546
01:04:17,410 --> 01:04:15,800
is the smallest life-form known to man

1547
01:04:19,930 --> 01:04:17,420
is a virus and prions are about a

1548
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:19,940
thousand times smaller i'm not sure if

1549
01:04:23,980 --> 01:04:21,680
you can actually classify prions as a

1550
01:04:28,090 --> 01:04:23,990
life form because if when they kick off

1551
01:04:29,710 --> 01:04:28,100
like full-blown aids versus HIV when

1552
01:04:32,140 --> 01:04:29,720
they kick off they can replicate

1553
01:04:34,750 --> 01:04:32,150
however it is extremely difficult almost

1554
01:04:36,370 --> 01:04:34,760
impossible to kill them and one of your

1555
01:04:41,020 --> 01:04:36,380
definitions of a life form is that it

1556
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:41,030
could be killed so yeah exactly so this

1557
01:04:46,570 --> 01:04:43,970
this could be a very detrimental thing

1558
01:04:48,850 --> 01:04:46,580
in the food chain and well you know

1559
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:48,860
quite a number of years back philip duke

1560
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:52,640
ted and myself started to get this sense

1561
01:04:58,960 --> 01:04:55,280
that maybe we're seeing a program that's

1562
01:05:00,180 --> 01:04:58,970
monitoring the food chain for Tse which

1563
01:05:02,890 --> 01:05:00,190
is transmissible spongiform

1564
01:05:05,230 --> 01:05:02,900
encephalopathy and that includes mad cow

1565
01:05:07,210 --> 01:05:05,240
disease chronic wasting disease and wild

1566
01:05:08,650 --> 01:05:07,220
animals deer and elk coots felled

1567
01:05:11,850 --> 01:05:08,660
yokum's disease which is a

1568
01:05:14,590 --> 01:05:11,860
naturally-occurring a human variant of

1569
01:05:17,470 --> 01:05:14,600
prion disease it occurs in one in a

1570
01:05:21,340 --> 01:05:17,480
million people naturally so this is I

1571
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:21,350
think a very very smoking gun avenue of

1572
01:05:27,010 --> 01:05:25,370
inquiry and I think Ted early on came

1573
01:05:29,260 --> 01:05:27,020
out with a very interesting paper called

1574
01:05:31,180 --> 01:05:29,270
mad cows I have known that really

1575
01:05:34,930 --> 01:05:31,190
spelled it out was the first real I

1576
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:34,940
think attempt to equate outbreaks of cow

1577
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:36,770
mutilations with the possibility of

1578
01:05:40,590 --> 01:05:39,050
monitoring the food chain so I just

1579
01:05:42,820 --> 01:05:40,600
wanted to make sure that our listeners

1580
01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:42,830
understood exactly what Ted was talking

1581
01:05:48,130 --> 01:05:45,110
about before so then it's the government

1582
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:48,140
that's doing it in this case well again

1583
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:50,720
I think that's a bit of an assumption it

1584
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,530
may be a quasi-governmental group let's

1585
01:05:59,620 --> 01:05:56,720
say similar to like the Centers for

1586
01:06:01,180 --> 01:05:59,630
Disease Control or some sort of quasi

1587
01:06:10,930 --> 01:06:01,190
government group that has access to

1588
01:06:13,450 --> 01:06:10,940
military yeah of course the snippy case

1589
01:06:15,850 --> 01:06:13,460
that occurred in 1967 was within a

1590
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:15,860
couple three weeks of the first known

1591
01:06:22,030 --> 01:06:19,610
escape or outbreak of prion disease in

1592
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:22,040
nature which we can talk about if you

1593
01:06:31,090 --> 01:06:29,090
want but well he was a he was a

1594
01:06:33,500 --> 01:06:31,100
hematologist in residency at that point

1595
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:36,060
he was the mystery pathologist that did

1596
01:06:39,290 --> 01:06:37,690
the examination by headlights on the

1597
01:06:41,790 --> 01:06:39,300
snippy case yes he told me that himself

1598
01:06:45,060 --> 01:06:41,800
yeah his brother works at Fort Detrick

1599
01:06:47,130 --> 01:06:45,070
Maryland isn't that interesting though

1600
01:06:49,620 --> 01:06:47,140
Fort Dietrich of course is where the

1601
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:49,630
army chemical Corps does their

1602
01:06:54,329 --> 01:06:52,089
experiments and has quite extensive labs

1603
01:06:58,349 --> 01:06:54,339
and where a lot of development of

1604
01:07:07,070 --> 01:06:58,359
certain bio agents took place at one

1605
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:10,680
well that that particular investigators

1606
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:14,290
a big cat investigator it's not it's not

1607
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:15,849
actually connected to our investigations

1608
01:07:25,530 --> 01:07:23,650
at all Paul Westwood that's it yeah it

1609
01:07:27,690 --> 01:07:25,540
was chemicals on an animal look like

1610
01:07:30,540 --> 01:07:27,700
almost like you know some sort of foam

1611
01:07:33,570 --> 01:07:30,550
that had acid in it really nasty stuff

1612
01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:33,580
and that animal was alive and you know

1613
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:35,440
it's like the tissue sample that phil

1614
01:07:38,609 --> 01:07:36,880
recently sent me the animal that was

1615
01:07:40,140 --> 01:07:38,619
always kinda it was alive what was going

1616
01:07:48,540 --> 01:07:40,150
on and there was no blood at the

1617
01:07:50,730 --> 01:07:48,550
incisional area there was absolutely non

1618
01:07:52,890 --> 01:07:50,740
and in some of the other mutilation

1619
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:52,900
cases I've actually found that the same

1620
01:07:57,210 --> 01:07:55,570
type of incision area which is like a

1621
01:07:59,880 --> 01:07:57,220
circular incision sometimes between

1622
01:08:02,010 --> 01:07:59,890
saying there's about 70 millimeters to

1623
01:08:04,290 --> 01:08:02,020
about a hundred and four millimeters it

1624
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:04,300
looks like it's been cleaned before hand

1625
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:06,400
before this after all it's been cut but

1626
01:08:09,660 --> 01:08:08,050
what they looks like to come back on

1627
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:09,670
regarding what's been spoken about about

1628
01:08:16,289 --> 01:08:13,570
the BSC and the connection to the UK is

1629
01:08:18,539 --> 01:08:16,299
that obviously we make we've made

1630
01:08:20,579 --> 01:08:18,549
extensive inquiries to these links and

1631
01:08:23,190 --> 01:08:20,589
we came across this was back in the late

1632
01:08:26,010 --> 01:08:23,200
80s obviously when obviously that the

1633
01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:26,020
the BSC epidemic hit us quite hard in

1634
01:08:34,860 --> 01:08:30,640
the UK and we found a voter farmer that

1635
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:34,870
have actually researched the actual the

1636
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:37,330
compounds that were in the injections of

1637
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:39,759
a compulsory mater but placed upon far

1638
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:41,920
the farming community in the UK against

1639
01:08:47,099 --> 01:08:45,279
the blowfly now his farmer he said that

1640
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:47,109
the symptoms of his

1641
01:08:55,620 --> 01:08:50,080
came about one year after the occupation

1642
01:08:57,329 --> 01:08:55,630
from from this this substance so that's

1643
01:08:59,849 --> 01:08:57,339
striking because you know one of the

1644
01:09:01,590 --> 01:08:59,859
questions I had recently to you I think

1645
01:09:04,410 --> 01:09:01,600
our communications was is this

1646
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:04,420
organization researching it are they

1647
01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:06,970
causing well in this particular instance

1648
01:09:11,460 --> 01:09:09,310
what hand was is that the farmer found

1649
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:11,470
out that the one of the ingredients was

1650
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:14,080
a compound part of Agent Orange that was

1651
01:09:20,250 --> 01:09:17,290
used as a defoliant in in Vietnam and he

1652
01:09:23,550 --> 01:09:20,260
actually contacted labs in in the US and

1653
01:09:26,220 --> 01:09:23,560
got the antidote he injected the these

1654
01:09:28,290 --> 01:09:26,230
heard and of the majority was explained

1655
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:28,300
the severe symptoms of BSE they couldn't

1656
01:09:33,690 --> 01:09:31,330
stand the shaking and he claims that the

1657
01:09:36,150 --> 01:09:33,700
veget all the herd recovered he also

1658
01:09:38,460 --> 01:09:36,160
claims that the men in pinstripe suits

1659
01:09:40,620 --> 01:09:38,470
turned up at the farm and made it know

1660
01:09:43,020 --> 01:09:40,630
in certain terms clear to him that if he

1661
01:09:44,940 --> 01:09:43,030
continued to make this public he would

1662
01:09:47,849 --> 01:09:44,950
be to say in hot water was an

1663
01:09:50,370 --> 01:09:47,859
understatement so I mean it just seems

1664
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:50,380
to be the it may be through their

1665
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:52,570
negligence and competence or discounters

1666
01:09:57,300 --> 01:09:54,880
she agreed that there's been a

1667
01:09:59,490 --> 01:09:57,310
contamination of the food chain to what

1668
01:10:01,860 --> 01:09:59,500
degree it has not been determined and

1669
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:01,870
and thus the mutilations that have been

1670
01:10:07,460 --> 01:10:04,690
instigated to monitor the effect and an

1671
01:10:11,340 --> 01:10:07,470
extent or severity of the contamination

1672
01:10:14,250 --> 01:10:11,350
I should also remind our listeners at

1673
01:10:16,170 --> 01:10:14,260
one form of prion disease that is quite

1674
01:10:19,050 --> 01:10:16,180
prevalent in fact it was the first real

1675
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:19,060
identified prion disease in livestock is

1676
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:21,250
scrapey which occurs in sheep which is

1677
01:10:25,740 --> 01:10:23,410
the the vast majority of the cases that

1678
01:10:28,740 --> 01:10:25,750
Phillip has been investigating are sheep

1679
01:10:31,020 --> 01:10:28,750
one of the things I'm seeing here so far

1680
01:10:33,870 --> 01:10:31,030
most of what we've talked about are

1681
01:10:35,700 --> 01:10:33,880
things that could have been done by some

1682
01:10:38,250 --> 01:10:35,710
kind of private or governmental

1683
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:38,260
organization so is there any paranormal

1684
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:40,210
aspect to any of this any high

1685
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:42,250
strangeness who wants to take that yeah

1686
01:10:47,970 --> 01:10:45,610
well I just come on on that regarding

1687
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:47,980
the the UK I mean it's obvious to be in

1688
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:49,450
a quite a number of instances that we

1689
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:53,440
can explain and the farmers or even

1690
01:10:57,900 --> 01:10:55,840
individuals in the area of Africa claims

1691
01:11:01,740 --> 01:10:57,910
all sorts of interactions

1692
01:11:03,150 --> 01:11:01,750
you know and some of the actual images

1693
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:03,160
on our cameras at the moment we can't

1694
01:11:09,870 --> 01:11:07,330
fully explain spheres beams the

1695
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:09,880
different things like that people claim

1696
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:12,610
even contacts and all sorts of stuff so

1697
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:14,530
we are constantly just documenting these

1698
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:17,250
things and making comparisons to other

1699
01:11:22,350 --> 01:11:20,290
reports there is a consistency in this

1700
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:22,360
so that does seem to be this paranormal

1701
01:11:26,010 --> 01:11:25,570
element but but when you look across the

1702
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:26,020
board

1703
01:11:32,190 --> 01:11:27,970
what percentage-wise is another matter

1704
01:11:34,350 --> 01:11:32,200
it's so it's an ongoing investigation

1705
01:11:36,900 --> 01:11:34,360
but looking at many different things but

1706
01:11:38,460 --> 01:11:36,910
there is a small element but our house

1707
01:11:43,140 --> 01:11:38,470
we said earlier are the powers that be

1708
01:11:44,940 --> 01:11:43,150
using that to cover their tracks because

1709
01:11:47,130 --> 01:11:44,950
a lot of people will jump initially

1710
01:11:49,230 --> 01:11:47,140
straight to a paranormal conclusion

1711
01:11:51,420 --> 01:11:49,240
because it is so bizarre you know you

1712
01:11:53,850 --> 01:11:51,430
just don't know that this moment in time

1713
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:53,860
and the skeptics will automatically use

1714
01:11:59,190 --> 01:11:56,130
that as a giggle factor to totally

1715
01:12:01,110 --> 01:11:59,200
whitewash the whole thing as

1716
01:12:04,380 --> 01:12:01,120
misidentified scavenger action or

1717
01:12:07,620 --> 01:12:04,390
mundane you know mundane attrition at

1718
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:07,630
work and and I again that points back to

1719
01:12:12,510 --> 01:12:09,520
that point the element that I brought up

1720
01:12:14,490 --> 01:12:12,520
is there's a self nullification element

1721
01:12:16,980 --> 01:12:14,500
going on and this whole thing that

1722
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:16,990
totally keeps the public and in to a

1723
01:12:21,170 --> 01:12:18,880
lesser degree investigators like us on

1724
01:12:25,170 --> 01:12:21,180
our heels because we have a hard time

1725
01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:25,180
explaining this whole phenomenon in in

1726
01:12:30,270 --> 01:12:27,310
terms of purely human perpetrators

1727
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:30,280
involved when you do have this very real

1728
01:12:35,130 --> 01:12:32,890
and albeit a small percentage of cases

1729
01:12:37,410 --> 01:12:35,140
that do have this this high strange

1730
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:37,420
paranormal aspect to them now on the

1731
01:12:41,790 --> 01:12:40,090
reverse side of that this paranormal

1732
01:12:44,490 --> 01:12:41,800
aspect has been blown out of proportion

1733
01:12:47,070 --> 01:12:44,500
by some investigators that attempt to

1734
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:47,080
then whitewash the whole thing by saying

1735
01:12:52,440 --> 01:12:49,120
this is all paranormal this is all

1736
01:12:54,330 --> 01:12:52,450
non-human in nature and that we're

1737
01:12:55,470 --> 01:12:54,340
dealing with something you know possibly

1738
01:12:58,860 --> 01:12:55,480
off planet or paranormal

1739
01:13:01,860 --> 01:12:58,870
multi-dimensional I think before we

1740
01:13:04,770 --> 01:13:01,870
finish the show today I would like to

1741
01:13:07,860 --> 01:13:04,780
get Phill and Ted's you know thinking on

1742
01:13:09,630 --> 01:13:07,870
what could possibly be behind first of

1743
01:13:10,700 --> 01:13:09,640
all to explain some of these paranormal

1744
01:13:12,410 --> 01:13:10,710
cases and

1745
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:12,420
in terms of you know the evidence that

1746
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:15,330
we have and then possibly riff a little

1747
01:13:19,459 --> 01:13:16,880
bit on what could possibly be

1748
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:19,469
perpetrating these cases but before we

1749
01:13:23,930 --> 01:13:22,290
do that I think this whole element of of

1750
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:23,940
monitoring the food chain some sort of

1751
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:26,250
environmental monitoring program at work

1752
01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:28,530
I think is a very fruitful avenue of

1753
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:31,110
inquiry and discussion in terms of

1754
01:13:36,740 --> 01:13:33,930
trying to explain at least a majority in

1755
01:13:39,890 --> 01:13:36,750
my opinion of these cases said what do

1756
01:13:41,900 --> 01:13:39,900
you think Kelleher told me about the

1757
01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:41,910
cages in Argentina the mutilation cases

1758
01:13:47,150 --> 01:13:44,239
down there he said it had to do with

1759
01:13:48,530 --> 01:13:47,160
diseases down there because they it's

1760
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:48,540
been work with the Argentinian going to

1761
01:13:52,940 --> 01:13:51,450
get them to you know clean up amounts of

1762
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:52,950
these down there and they wanted to make

1763
01:13:55,340 --> 01:13:54,210
sure that they had done everything they

1764
01:13:56,810 --> 01:13:55,350
were supposed to do and so they went

1765
01:13:58,520 --> 01:13:56,820
down take sample to see if you know the

1766
01:14:01,280 --> 01:13:58,530
beef was safe and there's discovery was

1767
01:14:03,260 --> 01:14:01,290
then all right after malaysia started in

1768
01:14:11,330 --> 01:14:03,270
the market yeah it's funny how that

1769
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[Music]

1790
01:14:59,640 --> 01:14:58,250
you've entered another dimension we've

1791
01:15:07,730 --> 01:14:59,650
entered the merriest

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you

1793
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:18,310
[Music]

1794
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:20,420
Christopher O'Brien is our special guest

1795
01:15:24,500 --> 01:15:22,050
host we're talking about animal

1796
01:15:27,230 --> 01:15:24,510
mutilations the ones performed by

1797
01:15:30,140 --> 01:15:27,240
earthly actors and the ones may be

1798
01:15:32,570 --> 01:15:30,150
performed by others and we have Phil

1799
01:15:34,820 --> 01:15:32,580
Hoyle and Ted Olaf and we're covering

1800
01:15:36,770 --> 01:15:34,830
all the various permutations why don't

1801
01:15:38,660 --> 01:15:36,780
you pick up on this Chris well one of

1802
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:38,670
the things that I noticed early on is

1803
01:15:43,970 --> 01:15:42,000
that there seems to be a very high

1804
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:43,980
strange element that's involved in a

1805
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:46,290
small percentage of cases what I've

1806
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:48,690
noticed is these high strange cases tend

1807
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:51,330
to be the precursor cases or the cases

1808
01:15:55,730 --> 01:15:53,520
that occur at the beginning of let's say

1809
01:15:58,520 --> 01:15:55,740
an unfolding wave this is something that

1810
01:16:01,340 --> 01:15:58,530
tends to appear and disappear in in

1811
01:16:03,260 --> 01:16:01,350
waves this is not something I think in

1812
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:03,270
my personal experience in the San Luis

1813
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:05,130
Valley this is not something that that

1814
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,490
that is a consistent type of phenomenon

1815
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:10,560
that occurs you know at all times of the

1816
01:16:14,780 --> 01:16:12,480
year and that burbles underneath the

1817
01:16:17,420 --> 01:16:14,790
surface I think we do see waves of

1818
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:17,430
activity and what I have gleaned from my

1819
01:16:21,500 --> 01:16:19,170
investigative work is that the the

1820
01:16:22,940 --> 01:16:21,510
initial cases at the beginning of a wave

1821
01:16:25,310 --> 01:16:22,950
tend to be the ones that are highest

1822
01:16:29,060 --> 01:16:25,320
range that can't be explained away by

1823
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:29,070
some sort of human perpetrator or simple

1824
01:16:33,380 --> 01:16:30,810
misidentified scavenger action or what

1825
01:16:35,690 --> 01:16:33,390
have you and one of the things that i

1826
01:16:38,060 --> 01:16:35,700
intuited very early on is there may be

1827
01:16:39,770 --> 01:16:38,070
some sort of connection I'm not sure

1828
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:39,780
exactly what we can talk about it but

1829
01:16:43,700 --> 01:16:41,520
there seems to be some sort of

1830
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:43,710
connection with the ancient practice of

1831
01:16:47,690 --> 01:16:45,840
animal sacrifice humans have been

1832
01:16:49,370 --> 01:16:47,700
sacrificing animals to the gods for

1833
01:16:51,470 --> 01:16:49,380
thousands of years and I don't think

1834
01:16:54,110 --> 01:16:51,480
this is by accident I think that this

1835
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:54,120
could be some sort of societal or

1836
01:17:01,250 --> 01:16:56,850
cultural reaction to highest range cases

1837
01:17:04,010 --> 01:17:01,260
that possibly farmers or ranchers could

1838
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:04,020
possibly be the being a thousand two

1839
01:17:08,510 --> 01:17:05,850
thousand years ago offering up and

1840
01:17:12,050 --> 01:17:08,520
sacrificing animals to the gods maybe

1841
01:17:16,010 --> 01:17:12,060
not quite seed bulls or prime breeding

1842
01:17:18,050 --> 01:17:16,020
stock may be sick or or not quality

1843
01:17:19,340 --> 01:17:18,060
animals sacrificing them to the God so

1844
01:17:20,770 --> 01:17:19,350
the gods don't come down take the good

1845
01:17:24,490 --> 01:17:20,780
ones I mean that this is a very

1846
01:17:27,530 --> 01:17:24,500
generalized sort of you know abbreviated

1847
01:17:28,970 --> 01:17:27,540
version of my thinking here but I think

1848
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:28,980
that there is some sort of element that

1849
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:29,690
does tie in

1850
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:31,610
- animal sacrifice and this could be the

1851
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:34,370
thing that the media and in certain

1852
01:17:39,820 --> 01:17:36,770
people out there in the public ik

1853
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:39,830
waiting these cases to ritual activity

1854
01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:42,170
by cults or by Satanists which i think

1855
01:17:47,170 --> 01:17:45,440
is is is not you know accurate but I do

1856
01:17:49,420 --> 01:17:47,180
get a sense that there is a ritual

1857
01:17:53,050 --> 01:17:49,430
element involved and this is a reaction

1858
01:17:55,150 --> 01:17:53,060
to hi strange cases that the very

1859
01:17:57,490 --> 01:17:55,160
knowledgeable rancher or farmer cannot

1860
01:17:59,050 --> 01:17:57,500
explain away so this is I'll put this

1861
01:17:59,920 --> 01:17:59,060
one out to the to the group there what

1862
01:18:02,830 --> 01:17:59,930
do you guys think

1863
01:18:05,380 --> 01:18:02,840
well I start to come in here I agree a

1864
01:18:09,330 --> 01:18:05,390
lot what you just said in as much that a

1865
01:18:12,490 --> 01:18:09,340
number of the very limited I must admit

1866
01:18:14,620 --> 01:18:12,500
better examinations of the of mutilated

1867
01:18:17,860 --> 01:18:14,630
animals here in the Shropshire Welsh

1868
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:17,870
borders the animals seem to have been in

1869
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:20,570
very very poor health or disease before

1870
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:22,250
obviously what they actually killed so I

1871
01:18:27,820 --> 01:18:24,640
mean it's it hasn't been always the the

1872
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:27,830
primes doctors actually be mutilated in

1873
01:18:31,660 --> 01:18:29,449
some other cases it has been but a lot

1874
01:18:34,180 --> 01:18:31,670
it hasn't it's like some existing sink

1875
01:18:35,470 --> 01:18:34,190
singled out that particular animal but

1876
01:18:37,870 --> 01:18:35,480
also another point I'd like to make just

1877
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:37,880
backtracking slightly is that when I

1878
01:18:45,900 --> 01:18:40,810
first got involved in this back in the

1879
01:18:48,130 --> 01:18:45,910
98 99 actually calling on these farms I

1880
01:18:50,830 --> 01:18:48,140
would obviously when I approached the

1881
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:50,840
farmer I would I would never mention

1882
01:18:53,860 --> 01:18:52,489
obviously anything to do with paranormal

1883
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:53,870
that wouldn't be instantly the door be

1884
01:18:58,540 --> 01:18:56,480
closed it was just it was just trying to

1885
01:19:01,479 --> 01:18:58,550
find out if anything unusual taking

1886
01:19:03,700 --> 01:19:01,489
place any rustling and and then we go

1887
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:03,710
through obviously the photo albums any

1888
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:05,570
injuries but one question I used to ask

1889
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:09,170
is obviously what breed of animal do you

1890
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:12,650
have and soon as they mentioned capital

1891
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:15,290
I could be after are in a short while I

1892
01:19:19,390 --> 01:19:17,570
could be quite sure that they wouldn't

1893
01:19:22,060 --> 01:19:19,400
have had or would have any any

1894
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:22,070
mutilations on that far it seems to be

1895
01:19:26,140 --> 01:19:24,650
that if it was just sheep there's a it

1896
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:26,150
was a possibility and all the other

1897
01:19:29,380 --> 01:19:27,530
cases that followed virtually all of

1898
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:29,390
them just had sheep in that Bennett

1899
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:32,090
timeframe but any any farmer with sheep

1900
01:19:35,610 --> 01:19:33,440
and cattle there was never any

1901
01:19:38,590 --> 01:19:35,620
mutilations and I drew the conclusion

1902
01:19:40,060 --> 01:19:38,600
initially that possibly that whatever

1903
01:19:41,620 --> 01:19:40,070
was the monitoring was monitoring the

1904
01:19:44,770 --> 01:19:41,630
sheep to see if it

1905
01:19:46,419 --> 01:19:44,780
is contaminated with the BSE but because

1906
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:46,429
they already knew that all the cattle

1907
01:19:50,140 --> 01:19:48,320
was and that's why they have the mass

1908
01:19:52,750 --> 01:19:50,150
coal in the UK because of the

1909
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:52,760
contamination of the sc6 so in here

1910
01:19:58,209 --> 01:19:55,250
yeah it's you know it was it was

1911
01:20:00,189 --> 01:19:58,219
off-the-wall situation so but then over

1912
01:20:02,260 --> 01:20:00,199
the over the last few years that started

1913
01:20:04,810 --> 01:20:02,270
to move back again and I would miss the

1914
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:04,820
number of the farms that we've got but

1915
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:06,650
that are active at the moment they do

1916
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:09,110
have capital a small amount as well as

1917
01:20:14,350 --> 01:20:12,290
sheep and others mutilations have taken

1918
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:14,360
place there but I've come across only

1919
01:20:21,370 --> 01:20:17,600
one incidence personally where a calf

1920
01:20:24,189 --> 01:20:21,380
was mutilated and that particular farm

1921
01:20:26,910 --> 01:20:24,199
that the calf have been decapitated in

1922
01:20:29,860 --> 01:20:26,920
my opinion in one clean cut and

1923
01:20:31,570 --> 01:20:29,870
obviously the had never been discovered

1924
01:20:35,110 --> 01:20:31,580
by the farmer but it had also been

1925
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:35,120
skinned like a rabbit now obviously when

1926
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:38,690
we actually examine and document what

1927
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:41,210
tissue organs have been removed we have

1928
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:43,850
actually consulted with the surgeons and

1929
01:20:50,260 --> 01:20:45,850
experienced professionals in the

1930
01:20:52,030 --> 01:20:50,270
National Health System and certainly why

1931
01:20:54,850 --> 01:20:52,040
would you target these particular

1932
01:20:57,070 --> 01:20:54,860
tissues or organs and the response back

1933
01:20:59,530 --> 01:20:57,080
is liver said wherever is doing it is

1934
01:21:02,370 --> 01:20:59,540
looking for something because these

1935
01:21:05,500 --> 01:21:02,380
particular organs and tissues would have

1936
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:05,510
concentrations of certain elements like

1937
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:08,330
PSD concentrates the tonsils the

1938
01:21:12,399 --> 01:21:10,159
obviously the brain and the bone marrow

1939
01:21:15,100 --> 01:21:12,409
so it's like something is looking for

1940
01:21:18,220 --> 01:21:15,110
something but you know that's just began

1941
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:18,230
the 64 million dollar question right

1942
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:20,210
these organs these soft tissue organs

1943
01:21:27,399 --> 01:21:23,600
are the fastest regenerating organs in

1944
01:21:29,890 --> 01:21:27,409
livestock or mammals and also harbours

1945
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:29,900
the least the most recent vestiges of

1946
01:21:36,010 --> 01:21:33,050
environmental pollutants are found in

1947
01:21:39,790 --> 01:21:36,020
the soft tissue organs which i think is

1948
01:21:41,620 --> 01:21:39,800
a very important clue that's often

1949
01:21:43,570 --> 01:21:41,630
overlooked I think in the research and

1950
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:43,580
investigative field Ted what do you

1951
01:21:49,660 --> 01:21:46,130
think what are your feelings about these

1952
01:21:53,380 --> 01:21:49,670
high strange cases and and when they

1953
01:21:56,290 --> 01:21:53,390
and what you can determine based on the

1954
01:21:58,060 --> 01:21:56,300
unfolding wave of activity at least the

1955
01:22:00,010 --> 01:21:58,070
way that I've been seeing it do you see

1956
01:22:02,050 --> 01:22:00,020
any sort of correlation that's similar

1957
01:22:03,970 --> 01:22:02,060
in your your cases you know I'm thinking

1958
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:03,980
real hard and you know I'm not really

1959
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:05,810
really not seeing anything you know the

1960
01:22:09,850 --> 01:22:07,520
more I look back at in the more I looked

1961
01:22:11,530 --> 01:22:09,860
at it you know no you know other than

1962
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:11,540
you know the obvious conclusion that I

1963
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:15,890
came across wrote about in 1997 you know

1964
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:20,810
with dead cows I mean I mean we native

1965
01:22:27,220 --> 01:22:25,250
your article is dead cows I've known he

1966
01:22:28,630 --> 01:22:27,230
reads that that pretty much ties

1967
01:22:30,430 --> 01:22:28,640
together when I was able to tie together

1968
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:30,440
it is all there why don't you mention

1969
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:33,650
some of the smoking gun evidence that

1970
01:22:38,620 --> 01:22:36,530
you found in terms of of constituent

1971
01:22:41,380 --> 01:22:38,630
elements found within some of the cattle

1972
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:41,390
and and some of the you know what could

1973
01:22:45,970 --> 01:22:43,610
possibly be coincidental sort of

1974
01:22:48,430 --> 01:22:45,980
activity that's been reported around

1975
01:22:51,070 --> 01:22:48,440
some of these areas because I I do feel

1976
01:22:53,669 --> 01:22:51,080
that the Alabama wave is telling us a

1977
01:22:55,540 --> 01:22:53,679
lot about the potential more mundane

1978
01:22:58,600 --> 01:22:55,550
perpetrators that are involved in all

1979
01:23:00,760 --> 01:22:58,610
this once you kind of share some of your

1980
01:23:03,010 --> 01:23:00,770
thinking that that you did share in that

1981
01:23:05,979 --> 01:23:03,020
article yeah what was interesting I went

1982
01:23:07,900 --> 01:23:05,989
back with a film crew in 2002 and I went

1983
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:07,910
back and interviewed some of the farmers

1984
01:23:13,330 --> 01:23:11,090
that had been affected in 1993 so here

1985
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:13,340
we are not years later I've gone back

1986
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:15,679
and reviewing some of the cops one which

1987
01:23:19,390 --> 01:23:17,840
is a queen of former coroner lost all

1988
01:23:22,570 --> 01:23:19,400
hope lost animals and so I talked to him

1989
01:23:25,150 --> 01:23:22,580
about Neville he lost in 1992 it was ten

1990
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:25,160
years later you know and I finished

1991
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:27,170
doing the interview with him you know

1992
01:23:31,540 --> 01:23:29,210
give us the truth or anything about the

1993
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:31,550
hour and half after I get back home my

1994
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:33,199
friends house for overstaying Alabama I

1995
01:23:37,150 --> 01:23:34,850
get a call for the farm he says well you

1996
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:37,160
better get back down here and so I grab

1997
01:23:42,850 --> 01:23:38,810
the other cameras or the other good

1998
01:23:45,010 --> 01:23:42,860
camera and gone back ala for you and he

1999
01:23:46,060 --> 01:23:45,020
had a fresh revelation on his farm I

2000
01:23:47,380 --> 01:23:46,070
didn't know he had in the animals

2001
01:23:49,900 --> 01:23:47,390
lassies it's become he was out of this

2002
01:23:51,850 --> 01:23:49,910
but he had one left and it was real is

2003
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:51,860
somewhere within nine hours of our

2004
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:56,090
arrival Wow man yeah it's and it had

2005
01:23:58,189 --> 01:23:57,679
been there at the time that I was

2006
01:24:00,770 --> 01:23:58,199
interview

2007
01:24:03,350 --> 01:24:00,780
Wow it was almost as if it'd been

2008
01:24:06,140 --> 01:24:03,360
provided for me Wow how about you feel

2009
01:24:10,130 --> 01:24:06,150
if you ever had a case like that yes

2010
01:24:11,959 --> 01:24:10,140
this is funny to say that because it's

2011
01:24:13,790 --> 01:24:11,969
it's it's so it's so actually

2012
01:24:16,430 --> 01:24:13,800
unbelievable at times we it would it

2013
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:16,440
would seem at times that there's some

2014
01:24:20,959 --> 01:24:18,690
unknown intelligence at times it's

2015
01:24:21,890 --> 01:24:20,969
orchestrating the most what I call in

2016
01:24:23,689 --> 01:24:21,900
micromanagement

2017
01:24:25,370 --> 01:24:23,699
there's even the smallest events I mean

2018
01:24:28,370 --> 01:24:25,380
one of the micromanagement that means

2019
01:24:30,919 --> 01:24:28,380
that Apple's Steve Jobs is responsible

2020
01:24:42,620 --> 01:24:30,929
ladies and gentlemen for animal

2021
01:24:45,709 --> 01:24:42,630
mutilations was within 50 billion

2022
01:24:47,689 --> 01:24:45,719
dollars of Microsoft's market cap as of

2023
01:24:49,370 --> 01:24:47,699
last week or the week before we're

2024
01:24:51,260 --> 01:24:49,380
taping this recording before we're doing

2025
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:51,270
this show so it's very possible that

2026
01:24:56,660 --> 01:24:54,000
that will be the thing that makes Apple

2027
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:56,670
more popular than Microsoft in terms of

2028
01:25:04,370 --> 01:25:01,920
market there it is here ready first well

2029
01:25:07,669 --> 01:25:04,380
here's one for you I love the the

2030
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:07,679
incredible case that Combe Kelleher and

2031
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:09,840
George Knapp spelled out in the book

2032
01:25:14,330 --> 01:25:12,690
hunt for the skinwalker where the Terry

2033
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:14,340
and Gwen Sherman were out checking their

2034
01:25:18,110 --> 01:25:15,449
herd one o'clock in the afternoon

2035
01:25:21,950 --> 01:25:18,120
beautiful day walked through the pasture

2036
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:21,960
they walked by a mother in her calf they

2037
01:25:26,959 --> 01:25:24,330
go about two three hundred yards past

2038
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:26,969
the calf check the rest of the herd turn

2039
01:25:30,860 --> 01:25:29,250
around and come back within a matter of

2040
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:30,870
minutes they came back and they noticed

2041
01:25:35,330 --> 01:25:32,880
that the calf had been totally horribly

2042
01:25:37,850 --> 01:25:35,340
mutilated while they were in the pasture

2043
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:37,860
they heard nothing they saw nothing

2044
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:42,449
they had a crack team of scientists on

2045
01:25:46,939 --> 01:25:44,610
site within hours they did a complete

2046
01:25:49,370 --> 01:25:46,949
necropsy on the animal what was left of

2047
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:49,380
it with the help of a veterinary

2048
01:25:56,090 --> 01:25:51,810
pathologist if I remember correctly I

2049
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:56,100
have had cases where I had a rancher who

2050
01:26:02,930 --> 01:26:00,000
lost 49 head back in 75 within two weeks

2051
01:26:05,450 --> 01:26:02,940
it got so bad that they did a complete

2052
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:05,460
stakeout with ranchers and deputies and

2053
01:26:09,700 --> 01:26:07,199
a sheriff they staked out the herd all

2054
01:26:11,950 --> 01:26:09,710
night they nothing has

2055
01:26:14,350 --> 01:26:11,960
and they went ahead and went down they

2056
01:26:16,540 --> 01:26:14,360
took the 10-12 minute ride into town to

2057
01:26:18,670 --> 01:26:16,550
the sheriff's office as they got into

2058
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:18,680
the office the rancher had gone up to

2059
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:21,290
check on them and check on his herd and

2060
01:26:26,260 --> 01:26:23,330
found a cow mutilated right where the

2061
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:26,270
guy's had been headquartered you know

2062
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:27,920
the guys who are monitoring the herd and

2063
01:26:30,790 --> 01:26:29,090
called down there and told him you

2064
01:26:32,410 --> 01:26:30,800
betting like you said Ted you better get

2065
01:26:34,420 --> 01:26:32,420
back up here because there's a

2066
01:26:36,610 --> 01:26:34,430
mutilation here the sheriff and his

2067
01:26:38,050 --> 01:26:36,620
buddies and deputies went back up there

2068
01:26:39,970 --> 01:26:38,060
and sure enough right there where they'd

2069
01:26:43,390 --> 01:26:39,980
been standing in the head quartered all

2070
01:26:47,380 --> 01:26:43,400
night was a mutilated cow there is a

2071
01:26:49,690 --> 01:26:47,390
high strange element involved in a few

2072
01:26:52,780 --> 01:26:49,700
of these cases not all by any stretch

2073
01:26:54,700 --> 01:26:52,790
and III it's like a baby in the

2074
01:26:57,190 --> 01:26:54,710
bathwater scenario you can't throw out

2075
01:27:00,100 --> 01:26:57,200
any sort of paranormal explanation

2076
01:27:03,340 --> 01:27:00,110
because there are cases that that are

2077
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:03,350
very well documented that can suggest

2078
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:04,489
that we are dealing with something

2079
01:27:11,110 --> 01:27:08,090
paranormal but in my opinion of 90% or

2080
01:27:13,870 --> 01:27:11,120
more cases could have some sort of human

2081
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:13,880
perpetrator element involved what does

2082
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:16,730
that suggest at least in my mind to

2083
01:27:20,770 --> 01:27:19,010
suggest that that the human element is

2084
01:27:23,500 --> 01:27:20,780
aware of the paranormal element

2085
01:27:26,650 --> 01:27:23,510
obviously the paranormal element I think

2086
01:27:28,930 --> 01:27:26,660
Ted your case is a classic example that

2087
01:27:31,060 --> 01:27:28,940
paranormal element is also aware of the

2088
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:31,070
human element so Chris can I just throw

2089
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:32,570
something in here are you suggesting

2090
01:27:37,780 --> 01:27:35,600
then that the human element being aware

2091
01:27:41,140 --> 01:27:37,790
of the paranormal element stages the

2092
01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:41,150
human element to again misdirect move

2093
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:43,040
our attention away from what's really

2094
01:27:58,670 --> 01:27:54,670
[Music]

2095
01:28:00,830 --> 01:27:58,680
is there a secret UFO agenda to strange

2096
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:00,840
creatures from the darkest corners of

2097
01:28:06,110 --> 01:28:03,330
the mind roam the earth is there

2098
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:06,120
evidence for mind control time travel or

2099
01:28:11,060 --> 01:28:09,450
devious government conspiracies find out

2100
01:28:14,420 --> 01:28:11,070
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2101
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:14,430
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2111
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2112
01:28:49,060 --> 01:28:54,229
[Music]

2113
01:29:00,130 --> 01:28:57,830
this is the bare cast you never know was

2114
01:29:03,459 --> 01:29:00,140
created yes

2115
01:29:03,459 --> 01:29:03,469
[Music]

2116
01:29:08,350 --> 01:29:06,250
we have Christopher O'Brien our special

2117
01:29:10,780 --> 01:29:08,360
guest co-host who obviously has been

2118
01:29:12,689 --> 01:29:10,790
around this territory before and he's

2119
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:12,699
author of a number of books including

2120
01:29:18,729 --> 01:29:15,199
stalking the tricksters which is of

2121
01:29:21,209 --> 01:29:18,739
course why he has that weird voice that

2122
01:29:24,939 --> 01:29:21,219
he channeled from some guy named B Edna

2123
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:24,949
we also have ten olifant and Philip oil

2124
01:29:28,660 --> 01:29:27,050
so Chris let's go back to the

2125
01:29:31,150 --> 01:29:28,670
misdirection and let's look at some

2126
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:31,160
purposes here as we come into our last

2127
01:29:35,380 --> 01:29:33,440
half-hour of the episode let's try to

2128
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:35,390
put it all together oh boy that's it

2129
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:36,290
that's a tall order

2130
01:29:40,060 --> 01:29:38,330
you know I'm telling you when I say you

2131
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:40,070
do what you do it you have to listen to

2132
01:29:45,550 --> 01:29:42,800
me because I gives the orders okay

2133
01:29:48,670 --> 01:29:45,560
you're the boss boss shaking the tree

2134
01:29:50,650 --> 01:29:48,680
boss shaking the cow yes in answer to

2135
01:29:56,770 --> 01:29:50,660
your question the short answer is yes I

2136
01:29:59,170 --> 01:29:56,780
do feel that there is a connection I do

2137
01:30:02,100 --> 01:29:59,180
have a sense that you know that that the

2138
01:30:05,830 --> 01:30:02,110
human element involved in this is

2139
01:30:07,390 --> 01:30:05,840
perpetrating hi strange cases what

2140
01:30:09,310 --> 01:30:07,400
appear to be hi strange I mean bye-bye

2141
01:30:11,229 --> 01:30:09,320
your classic mutilation to throw

2142
01:30:14,500 --> 01:30:11,239
investigators and law enforcement off

2143
01:30:16,570 --> 01:30:14,510
track these cases tend to occur in the

2144
01:30:19,900 --> 01:30:16,580
region where the initial cases occur but

2145
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:19,910
at the other side of the county or in in

2146
01:30:23,100 --> 01:30:21,290
one sense of the word

2147
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:23,110
there seems to be about a 40-mile

2148
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:27,770
correlation that is in a rough square

2149
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:31,010
around many of these sites very

2150
01:30:36,550 --> 01:30:33,770
interesting observation was made by a an

2151
01:30:38,890 --> 01:30:36,560
insurance adjuster up in Canada who back

2152
01:30:40,780 --> 01:30:38,900
in the late 80s was investigating the

2153
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:40,790
whole outbreak of cattle mutilation

2154
01:30:45,130 --> 01:30:43,489
cases in Alberta and one of the things

2155
01:30:46,750 --> 01:30:45,140
you know he was tasked with was

2156
01:30:48,910 --> 01:30:46,760
determining the cause of death and

2157
01:30:50,860 --> 01:30:48,920
whether it you know insurance claims

2158
01:30:53,020 --> 01:30:50,870
were valid if there was insurance on

2159
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:53,030
these animals and one of the things that

2160
01:30:59,560 --> 01:30:56,080
he noticed was that there seems to be a

2161
01:31:02,530 --> 01:30:59,570
40-mile correlation roughly in a square

2162
01:31:04,450 --> 01:31:02,540
and you'd have a case occur Ground Zero

2163
01:31:06,670 --> 01:31:04,460
and then 40 miles away would be another

2164
01:31:09,010 --> 01:31:06,680
case and then 40 miles away from that

2165
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:09,020
case would be another case and then back

2166
01:31:12,910 --> 01:31:11,330
almost in a square pattern he noticed

2167
01:31:14,290 --> 01:31:12,920
that there was this interesting

2168
01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:14,300
correlation

2169
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:16,400
this is an example of trying to identify

2170
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:19,610
patterns and I do have a sense in answer

2171
01:31:24,190 --> 01:31:22,370
to a question again that there are human

2172
01:31:26,500 --> 01:31:24,200
groups that are perpetrating red herring

2173
01:31:29,530 --> 01:31:26,510
cases for lack of a better term to throw

2174
01:31:31,630 --> 01:31:29,540
investigators off stride and you know to

2175
01:31:33,970 --> 01:31:31,640
muddy up the investigative waters for

2176
01:31:35,830 --> 01:31:33,980
lack of a better definition that implies

2177
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:35,840
so that they know what's going on

2178
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:37,130
exactly

2179
01:31:42,610 --> 01:31:40,010
oh so who are these human perpetrators

2180
01:31:49,900 --> 01:31:42,620
the government the NSA the men in black

2181
01:31:51,670 --> 01:31:49,910
in an NIH may be the study of how

2182
01:31:53,590 --> 01:31:51,680
epidemics just spread so who is that

2183
01:31:56,020 --> 01:31:53,600
that's gonna be things like the NIH is

2184
01:31:58,540 --> 01:31:56,030
you know centers to disease control

2185
01:31:59,950 --> 01:31:58,550
Rocky Mountain was a whole bunch of

2186
01:32:03,010 --> 01:31:59,960
different people don't you look at stuff

2187
01:32:05,500 --> 01:32:03,020
you know doing whatever they're doing I

2188
01:32:06,550 --> 01:32:05,510
don't know if there's one is but you

2189
01:32:08,770 --> 01:32:06,560
know all I can tell you is that there's

2190
01:32:10,450 --> 01:32:08,780
definitely helicopters involved or the

2191
01:32:11,770 --> 01:32:10,460
FAA King Johnson on March I was

2192
01:32:14,440 --> 01:32:11,780
hollering trying to handle all the

2193
01:32:17,140 --> 01:32:14,450
regulations to respond they knew it was

2194
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:17,150
true so there's so many who's able to

2195
01:32:25,530 --> 01:32:22,250
operate you know period under the radar

2196
01:32:29,050 --> 01:32:25,540
as it were yeah pretty much

2197
01:32:30,970 --> 01:32:29,060
what do you think though well establish

2198
01:32:33,670 --> 01:32:30,980
Saenz does death in the military

2199
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:33,680
helicopters covert or an element of the

2200
01:32:37,660 --> 01:32:35,570
military or government apart from the

2201
01:32:39,820 --> 01:32:37,670
normal military I've come across

2202
01:32:42,580 --> 01:32:39,830
numerous farmers have actually been a

2203
01:32:45,220 --> 01:32:42,590
very late check-in you know stock and

2204
01:32:47,740 --> 01:32:45,230
actually stumbled across Special Forces

2205
01:32:50,830 --> 01:32:47,750
all in black sometimes they say with no

2206
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:50,840
badges identifying who they are actually

2207
01:32:55,690 --> 01:32:53,050
on their land helicopters landed and

2208
01:32:57,820 --> 01:32:55,700
that come up with stories that in one

2209
01:32:59,590 --> 01:32:57,830
particular incident because the crew

2210
01:33:01,390 --> 01:32:59,600
said that they'd been on exercise and

2211
01:33:03,100 --> 01:33:01,400
they dropped some night-vision equipment

2212
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:03,110
and they were looking for it and stuff

2213
01:33:08,230 --> 01:33:05,930
like this and so you know that you know

2214
01:33:10,750 --> 01:33:08,240
the military are out there Estes no ifs

2215
01:33:14,050 --> 01:33:10,760
or buts about that on the other side of

2216
01:33:15,790 --> 01:33:14,060
the coin one the high strangest case

2217
01:33:18,970 --> 01:33:15,800
where there was military presence and

2218
01:33:22,030 --> 01:33:18,980
also ground markings that were totally

2219
01:33:24,340 --> 01:33:22,040
unusual that we couldn't identify there

2220
01:33:27,490 --> 01:33:24,350
was a it was a small hill farm and

2221
01:33:30,730 --> 01:33:27,500
that's the profile in the disruption

2222
01:33:33,670 --> 01:33:30,740
Borders Hill Farms that virtually

2223
01:33:35,260 --> 01:33:33,680
unaccessible bite biter for one lane and

2224
01:33:37,740 --> 01:33:35,270
leads to this particular farm

2225
01:33:41,830 --> 01:33:37,750
I'm talking about its had a number of

2226
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:41,840
bandage like horseshoe em impressions on

2227
01:33:45,700 --> 01:33:43,760
the hill and just below it where the

2228
01:33:49,060 --> 01:33:45,710
mutilations are always discovered these

2229
01:33:51,700 --> 01:33:49,070
bands actually range from 1.5 meters

2230
01:33:54,910 --> 01:33:51,710
across two to six point two meters the

2231
01:33:56,950 --> 01:33:54,920
actual width of the band was 222

2232
01:33:59,470 --> 01:33:56,960
millimeters wide if you could imagine

2233
01:34:01,630 --> 01:33:59,480
that if you make that look at say a

2234
01:34:04,210 --> 01:34:01,640
horseshoe the open end was always

2235
01:34:07,750 --> 01:34:04,220
pointing down now when we had an

2236
01:34:08,770 --> 01:34:07,760
examination of the of the soil and grass

2237
01:34:11,020 --> 01:34:08,780
within the band

2238
01:34:13,860 --> 01:34:11,030
it was literally begged like concrete I

2239
01:34:17,410 --> 01:34:13,870
I nearly broke the trowel trying to take

2240
01:34:19,150 --> 01:34:17,420
samples the analysis determined that it

2241
01:34:21,910 --> 01:34:19,160
had been begged so hard by an unknown

2242
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:21,920
energy that it looks like ceramic but it

2243
01:34:26,260 --> 01:34:24,290
was also water resistance and repellent

2244
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:26,270
to any water substance and we couldn't

2245
01:34:31,150 --> 01:34:29,090
explain where these have come from but

2246
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:31,160
other people there locals and farmers

2247
01:34:37,330 --> 01:34:33,730
were seeing very unusual white spheres

2248
01:34:39,220 --> 01:34:37,340
over farms and approaching farms and

2249
01:34:42,730 --> 01:34:39,230
over fields and one farmer even claimed

2250
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:42,740
to have actually witnessed Jets having

2251
01:34:48,070 --> 01:34:45,370
interactions with these spheres but

2252
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:48,080
because they say I'm sorry on one side

2253
01:34:52,810 --> 01:34:49,730
we've got this paranormal and the other

2254
01:34:54,310 --> 01:34:52,820
side we've got obviously substantial

2255
01:34:56,440 --> 01:34:54,320
evidence there's a covert military

2256
01:34:58,690 --> 01:34:56,450
presence around the area at night

2257
01:35:02,040 --> 01:34:58,700
now one thing was taken to account where

2258
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:02,050
we live I live in a shoe spree which is

2259
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:04,730
interrupter in that in the sinner under

2260
01:35:09,580 --> 01:35:07,730
you the west of the Midlands just 20

2261
01:35:12,460 --> 01:35:09,590
miles from the Welsh border but we have

2262
01:35:15,610 --> 01:35:12,470
the biggest helicopter training facility

2263
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:15,620
in the country and so obviously one

2264
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:17,360
thing we do have around here is plenty

2265
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:19,970
of helicopters so I mean they're there

2266
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:22,010
and I say there's just so many different

2267
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:24,410
fingers in the pie but we definitely

2268
01:35:29,170 --> 01:35:26,570
know that the military are watching

2269
01:35:31,480 --> 01:35:29,180
something can maybe vice versa so it's

2270
01:35:33,670 --> 01:35:31,490
it's it's unfolding that you know where

2271
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:33,680
we've got that we're lucky to have that

2272
01:35:38,050 --> 01:35:35,930
right right under our noses so we're

2273
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:38,060
constantly looking for new evidence and

2274
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:39,920
and evaluating what's taking place

2275
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:41,330
well another thing that should be

2276
01:35:46,149 --> 01:35:43,850
brought up is the sheer number of

2277
01:35:47,859 --> 01:35:46,159
helicopter reports that have been filed

2278
01:35:52,810 --> 01:35:47,869
and documented or in and around

2279
01:35:54,820 --> 01:35:52,820
mutilation sites as of 1998 we had 300

2280
01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:54,830
helicopter sightings that have been

2281
01:36:00,070 --> 01:35:57,770
reported in conjunction with mutilation

2282
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:00,080
sites and I'm sure the number has gone

2283
01:36:05,250 --> 01:36:03,050
up considerably since then but this is

2284
01:36:08,229 --> 01:36:05,260
an element that some of the high strange

2285
01:36:11,050 --> 01:36:08,239
proponents of this phenomenon tend to

2286
01:36:13,899 --> 01:36:11,060
kind of whitewash or sort of shove under

2287
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:13,909
the rug and it's an element that in the

2288
01:36:17,620 --> 01:36:16,159
pop culture appraisal of this whole

2289
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:17,630
thing and the inversion of this whole

2290
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:21,170
thing you don't see this very think

2291
01:36:28,810 --> 01:36:25,250
telling fact brought out - in any

2292
01:36:31,090 --> 01:36:28,820
explanation the you know trying to at

2293
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:31,100
least put the assigned blame where it

2294
01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:33,050
needs to go and I do really feel that

2295
01:36:38,050 --> 01:36:35,440
this is an important element I know Ted

2296
01:36:41,020 --> 01:36:38,060
went through the same thing down in

2297
01:36:42,669 --> 01:36:41,030
Alabama with the many helicopter

2298
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:42,679
sightings and reports that he had down

2299
01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:55,489
there because in Seoul when the Army was

2300
01:36:58,240 --> 01:36:56,960
getting ready to fly a bunch helicopters

2301
01:36:59,890 --> 01:36:58,250
over the mountain for an exercise they

2302
01:37:01,720 --> 01:36:59,900
went on the news it was the first story

2303
01:37:03,430 --> 01:37:01,730
that night that they were going to find

2304
01:37:05,709 --> 01:37:03,440
a bunch of helicopters over Sand

2305
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:05,719
Mountain and don't shoot that as we're

2306
01:37:12,220 --> 01:37:07,489
not doing the mutilations literally they

2307
01:37:14,140 --> 01:37:12,230
said I rest my case

2308
01:37:17,649 --> 01:37:14,150
well what about Big Momma out in the

2309
01:37:19,780 --> 01:37:17,659
Front Range of Colorado back in 75 where

2310
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:19,790
I mean they actually chased helicopters

2311
01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:22,010
with private planes and you know there's

2312
01:37:27,070 --> 01:37:24,320
quite a bit of very compelling evidence

2313
01:37:30,189 --> 01:37:27,080
that suggests that if the government or

2314
01:37:31,780 --> 01:37:30,199
a quasi government group is not involved

2315
01:37:34,209 --> 01:37:31,790
in this they sure know about it and

2316
01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:34,219
they're actively monitoring outbreaks of

2317
01:37:39,100 --> 01:37:36,560
these types of cases this is an element

2318
01:37:40,209 --> 01:37:39,110
that I think has been a little bit

2319
01:37:42,070 --> 01:37:40,219
neglected I think in the public

2320
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:42,080
disclosure of this whole phenomenon I

2321
01:37:46,729 --> 01:37:44,170
think you know you've got

2322
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:46,739
the most valid point well Thank You Ted

2323
01:37:51,300 --> 01:37:49,570
it must be the trickster well we have to

2324
01:37:53,220 --> 01:37:51,310
see why we're playing that trick and

2325
01:37:54,540 --> 01:37:53,230
maybe that's something we can deal with

2326
01:37:56,790 --> 01:37:54,550
him the remaining few moments of this

2327
01:37:58,950 --> 01:37:56,800
episode which is okay let's look at the

2328
01:38:00,270 --> 01:37:58,960
high strangest episodes this is the

2329
01:38:03,990 --> 01:38:00,280
power cast we're looking at the

2330
01:38:06,540 --> 01:38:04,000
paranormal so fellow is it et what is

2331
01:38:08,910 --> 01:38:06,550
causing the power normal aspect of

2332
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:08,920
animal mutilations well I could say

2333
01:38:14,180 --> 01:38:10,449
that's Tucker says that's the main

2334
01:38:16,590 --> 01:38:14,190
question there is definitely an element

2335
01:38:19,169 --> 01:38:16,600
must collide be a very small element

2336
01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:19,179
that is as yet unexplainable the

2337
01:38:22,590 --> 01:38:20,800
technology and the time that's been

2338
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:22,600
actually cited or witnessed would put it

2339
01:38:27,660 --> 01:38:24,960
outside the envelope of black-budget

2340
01:38:30,030 --> 01:38:27,670
back to the 50s we're talking about in

2341
01:38:31,530 --> 01:38:30,040
the and even before some of the older

2342
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:31,540
farmers recall instances that are

2343
01:38:37,290 --> 01:38:34,449
clearly extremely unusual and paranormal

2344
01:38:40,290 --> 01:38:37,300
but it could well be that there's a

2345
01:38:43,350 --> 01:38:40,300
situation that there is paranormal

2346
01:38:45,740 --> 01:38:43,360
intelligence monitoring's the different

2347
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:45,750
procedures or monitoring of our

2348
01:38:50,490 --> 01:38:48,010
contamination of the food chain is that

2349
01:38:52,410 --> 01:38:50,500
that there's been found

2350
01:38:53,850 --> 01:38:52,420
agencies have created the problem they

2351
01:38:55,860 --> 01:38:53,860
are aware of it they're monitoring it

2352
01:38:58,229 --> 01:38:55,870
and something else is watching and

2353
01:38:59,970 --> 01:38:58,239
monitoring them and vice-versa it's it's

2354
01:39:02,250 --> 01:38:59,980
it's like what chris said earlier you

2355
01:39:03,959 --> 01:39:02,260
can have a an unusual strangeness case

2356
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:03,969
and then all the sudden there's a an

2357
01:39:09,180 --> 01:39:07,090
upsurge of of cases that don't carry the

2358
01:39:12,090 --> 01:39:09,190
same signatures that would indicate that

2359
01:39:15,390 --> 01:39:12,100
it was something to pick extremely

2360
01:39:17,490 --> 01:39:15,400
unusual it's so it's we have to keep

2361
01:39:18,930 --> 01:39:17,500
constantly an open mind and I think that

2362
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:18,940
the ones that one learning curve that

2363
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:21,850
we've we've come to take on board is

2364
01:39:26,970 --> 01:39:25,210
that you cannot take for granted what

2365
01:39:29,490 --> 01:39:26,980
you know today will be the same tomorrow

2366
01:39:31,620 --> 01:39:29,500
you must constantly re-evaluate and and

2367
01:39:33,689 --> 01:39:31,630
going back to early earlier in the

2368
01:39:35,130 --> 01:39:33,699
program we're talking about what

2369
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:35,140
Predators can do and chris mentioned

2370
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:36,610
about certain predators gonna make

2371
01:39:40,020 --> 01:39:38,650
perfect holes I've said to a number of

2372
01:39:42,150 --> 01:39:40,030
colleagues and people associated with

2373
01:39:44,990 --> 01:39:42,160
this subject when we first started off

2374
01:39:47,250 --> 01:39:45,000
we have this this photo album

2375
01:39:48,959 --> 01:39:47,260
graphically showing all the injuries I

2376
01:39:50,490 --> 01:39:48,969
said as we actually go through the

2377
01:39:53,310 --> 01:39:50,500
learning curve and understanding what

2378
01:39:56,220 --> 01:39:53,320
animals can do we might have to delete a

2379
01:39:57,540 --> 01:39:56,230
lot of these from the profile because we

2380
01:40:00,420 --> 01:39:57,550
will find out

2381
01:40:02,460 --> 01:40:00,430
as much about animals as about the

2382
01:40:05,820 --> 01:40:02,470
mutilation phenomena because the bottom

2383
01:40:07,230 --> 01:40:05,830
line is simple Ted and Krys are the

2384
01:40:09,690 --> 01:40:07,240
people who have been really the

2385
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:09,700
Trailblazers really the the pioneers

2386
01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:11,890
writing the book on this we're following

2387
01:40:16,890 --> 01:40:13,600
on their work so we're constantly

2388
01:40:19,620 --> 01:40:16,900
Amundsen to reevaluate to look to learn

2389
01:40:21,330 --> 01:40:19,630
and take onboard every possibility and

2390
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:21,340
delete things that don't fit the puzzle

2391
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:23,410
so it's it's it's exciting

2392
01:40:29,580 --> 01:40:26,890
puzzling but it's something that will I

2393
01:40:31,710 --> 01:40:29,590
think eventually be understood but the

2394
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:31,720
bottom line to understand it is keeping

2395
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:34,090
a constant open mind and re-evaluating

2396
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:36,610
our work ok can we place this in the

2397
01:40:41,310 --> 01:40:39,010
same category of UFOs then this is

2398
01:40:44,790 --> 01:40:41,320
something that is connected with the UFO

2399
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:44,800
phenomenon or why yes I can firmly say

2400
01:40:51,230 --> 01:40:47,890
yes I've had enough cases that have had

2401
01:40:54,420 --> 01:40:51,240
reports of landed objects of

2402
01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:54,430
unconventional non-ballistic craft that

2403
01:41:00,060 --> 01:40:56,290
have been seen in and around mutilation

2404
01:41:01,650 --> 01:41:00,070
sites sometimes even during cases but I

2405
01:41:04,020 --> 01:41:01,660
can also say that there have been

2406
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:04,030
helicopters that have been described in

2407
01:41:09,480 --> 01:41:07,210
the same manner in terms of their you

2408
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:09,490
know being around a mutilation site

2409
01:41:13,710 --> 01:41:11,530
either just before during or after a

2410
01:41:15,990 --> 01:41:13,720
case is reported one of the things

2411
01:41:17,190 --> 01:41:16,000
though that day and this kind of reminds

2412
01:41:19,950 --> 01:41:17,200
me of something I wanted to bring up

2413
01:41:22,650 --> 01:41:19,960
earlier that's always puzzled me is I

2414
01:41:24,930 --> 01:41:22,660
have combed through the records of all

2415
01:41:27,090 --> 01:41:24,940
the major researchers all the documented

2416
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:27,100
reports I could get my hand on and I

2417
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:29,650
have yet to come up with a case of a

2418
01:41:35,930 --> 01:41:33,520
mutilation in a Brahma bull or cow

2419
01:41:38,250 --> 01:41:35,940
now of course Brahma cattle or

2420
01:41:39,780 --> 01:41:38,260
considered good in India and I have yet

2421
01:41:41,370 --> 01:41:39,790
to come up with a mutilation case in

2422
01:41:44,850 --> 01:41:41,380
India where cattle are considered sacred

2423
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:44,860
where you have you are obliged by

2424
01:41:47,940 --> 01:41:46,570
religious law to allow a cow to walk

2425
01:41:49,650 --> 01:41:47,950
into your house if it wants to

2426
01:41:52,710 --> 01:41:49,660
they have nursing homes in India for

2427
01:41:55,290 --> 01:41:52,720
cattle that's wait a minute wait a

2428
01:41:58,590 --> 01:41:55,300
minute on Qi nursing homes for cattle

2429
01:42:01,440 --> 01:41:58,600
yeah there are hospices for cattle in

2430
01:42:03,990 --> 01:42:01,450
India but I have yet to find a case of a

2431
01:42:06,810 --> 01:42:04,000
Brahma bull or a Brahma cow that has

2432
01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:06,820
been mutilated anywhere and I shall try

2433
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:09,760
the hospices for cattle because I do

2434
01:42:14,130 --> 01:42:11,440
they have health insurance too because

2435
01:42:20,850 --> 01:42:14,140
you know here in America it's called

2436
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:20,860
Vedic tradition it is because cows never

2437
01:42:28,260 --> 01:42:23,530
become part of the food chain exactly

2438
01:42:30,660 --> 01:42:28,270
that answers a lot a little clue for

2439
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:30,670
y'all I challenge any of you para

2440
01:42:36,540 --> 01:42:32,650
casters out there to find me one

2441
01:42:40,740 --> 01:42:36,550
documented case of a Indian / of Brahma

2442
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:40,750
cow or our or bull or steer for that

2443
01:42:52,650 --> 01:42:42,400
matter that has been mutilated

2444
01:42:53,340 --> 01:42:52,660
you never eat tandoori steer for 58

2445
01:42:55,410 --> 01:42:53,350
years

2446
01:42:57,960 --> 01:42:55,420
fate has provided true reports of a

2447
01:43:00,300 --> 01:42:57,970
strange and unknown fate brings you the

2448
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:00,310
latest in all aspects of the paranormal

2449
01:43:05,450 --> 01:43:02,290
like angels and miracles psychic

2450
01:43:07,890 --> 01:43:05,460
phenomena ghosts UFOs and much much more

2451
01:43:10,380 --> 01:43:07,900
to receive your complimentary fate

2452
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:10,390
magazine call now at one eight hundred

2453
01:43:18,810 --> 01:43:14,650
seven two eight two seven three o or

2454
01:43:20,810 --> 01:43:18,820
visit their website at WWF at mag com

2455
01:43:27,930 --> 01:43:20,820
that's one eight hundred seven two eight

2456
01:43:30,890 --> 01:43:27,940
two seven three zero or WWF a tem AG

2457
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:30,900
comm what are you waiting for your fate

2458
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:35,530
awaits hi this is Don Ecker and you are

2459
01:43:40,620 --> 01:43:38,410
tuned in to the para cast let me tell

2460
01:43:43,530 --> 01:43:40,630
you what you're gonna hear stuff here

2461
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:43,540
that you probably won't hear anywhere

2462
01:43:50,940 --> 01:43:48,930
we have christopher o'brien our special

2463
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:50,950
guest co-host he's written such books is

2464
01:43:55,620 --> 01:43:53,410
stalking the tricksters the mysterious

2465
01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:55,630
valley enter the valley secrets to the

2466
01:44:00,540 --> 01:43:58,960
mysterious valley and mark valley know

2467
01:44:02,250 --> 01:44:00,550
mark valley is an actor who plays in

2468
01:44:05,550 --> 01:44:02,260
human target I'm just getting wrapped up

2469
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:05,560
with all the valleys here we have

2470
01:44:11,970 --> 01:44:08,530
Phillip oil talking to us from the UK

2471
01:44:14,250 --> 01:44:11,980
and Ted olifant who was actually a

2472
01:44:14,610 --> 01:44:14,260
police officer in Alabama and as I

2473
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:14,620
mention

2474
01:44:18,930 --> 01:44:16,090
earlier before the show started I

2475
01:44:21,540 --> 01:44:18,940
actually worked in Alabama my very first

2476
01:44:26,130 --> 01:44:21,550
job as a broadcaster was in Piedmont

2477
01:44:27,540 --> 01:44:26,140
Alabama yeah and the station was WP ID I

2478
01:44:30,630 --> 01:44:27,550
don't think it's there anymore because

2479
01:44:32,970 --> 01:44:30,640
the call letters meant well Piedmont is

2480
01:44:41,460 --> 01:44:32,980
dead so either the town is dead or the

2481
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:41,470
station is dead I'm not sure radio

2482
01:44:49,620 --> 01:44:47,650
station is still there Piedmont a little

2483
01:44:51,930 --> 01:44:49,630
town about halfway between Atlanta and

2484
01:44:54,150 --> 01:44:51,940
Birmingham by the way if anyone cares

2485
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:54,160
but we're exploring animal mutilations

2486
01:44:58,320 --> 01:44:56,410
here we're trying to focus now on the

2487
01:45:01,050 --> 01:44:58,330
things we have to do to learn more about

2488
01:45:03,090 --> 01:45:01,060
what's going on I'm letting Chris take

2489
01:45:05,700 --> 01:45:03,100
the lead on this because he's just for

2490
01:45:07,500 --> 01:45:05,710
this for so long and he's tired of doing

2491
01:45:10,350 --> 01:45:07,510
the trickster voice so let's Percy up

2492
01:45:13,050 --> 01:45:10,360
okay well here's one for y'all how about

2493
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:13,060
if we put together a triangulated you

2494
01:45:19,710 --> 01:45:16,570
know high-def camera surveillance setup

2495
01:45:22,010 --> 01:45:19,720
on cell towers that monitors a region

2496
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:22,020
where these cases are routinely reported

2497
01:45:29,460 --> 01:45:25,930
and get some hard data some hard optical

2498
01:45:31,170 --> 01:45:29,470
data and and you know I think obviously

2499
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:31,180
we need to be more effective with our

2500
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:33,130
networking efforts to get all the

2501
01:45:38,460 --> 01:45:35,410
ranchers and the ranching community and

2502
01:45:40,860 --> 01:45:38,470
law enforcement on the same page but my

2503
01:45:43,410 --> 01:45:40,870
suggestion in my efforts are being

2504
01:45:47,250 --> 01:45:43,420
geared towards monitoring the San Luis

2505
01:45:49,650 --> 01:45:47,260
Valley so hardest hit areas 24/7 with a

2506
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:49,660
complete surveillance setup so that when

2507
01:45:55,290 --> 01:45:52,810
one of these cases occurs we can jump

2508
01:45:57,420 --> 01:45:55,300
all over it and have hard data to back

2509
01:45:59,460 --> 01:45:57,430
it up we can summon veterinary

2510
01:46:03,050 --> 01:45:59,470
pathologists and veterinarians who all

2511
01:46:05,850 --> 01:46:03,060
have the proper new cropsy protocols and

2512
01:46:08,250 --> 01:46:05,860
have a complete list of what they should

2513
01:46:11,730 --> 01:46:08,260
do when they go on site and go ahead and

2514
01:46:14,310 --> 01:46:11,740
really nail these cases down as soon as

2515
01:46:17,250 --> 01:46:14,320
possible we need to be on on these cases

2516
01:46:18,660 --> 01:46:17,260
within 24 hours and I think anything

2517
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:18,670
short of that is just going to be

2518
01:46:25,650 --> 01:46:21,970
spinning our wheels and I am actively

2519
01:46:27,129 --> 01:46:25,660
involved in setting up a full time 24/7

2520
01:46:29,229 --> 01:46:27,139
monitoring so

2521
01:46:31,510 --> 01:46:29,239
set up in the hardest-hit areas of San

2522
01:46:33,550 --> 01:46:31,520
Luis Valley which is the epicenter I

2523
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:33,560
think of the cattle mutilation

2524
01:46:37,990 --> 01:46:34,730
phenomenon this is where the first

2525
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:38,000
publicized case in 67 occurred and I

2526
01:46:42,010 --> 01:46:40,250
think it's really important that we that

2527
01:46:44,919 --> 01:46:42,020
we work together that Phil and Ted and

2528
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:44,929
myself David Perkins other people that

2529
01:46:49,300 --> 01:46:46,250
are involved in investigating these

2530
01:46:51,100 --> 01:46:49,310
cases we need to dovetail and in co-opt

2531
01:46:53,050 --> 01:46:51,110
our actions and really work together on

2532
01:46:54,910 --> 01:46:53,060
all this how do we deal with the

2533
01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:54,920
riffraff the people who are just trying

2534
01:46:59,109 --> 01:46:57,290
to sell books and lectures and they're

2535
01:47:01,689 --> 01:46:59,119
not really trying to learn what's going

2536
01:47:02,950 --> 01:47:01,699
on there are none there's very very few

2537
01:47:05,229 --> 01:47:02,960
people that are willing to stick their

2538
01:47:07,660 --> 01:47:05,239
necks out in this realm Phil and Ted I

2539
01:47:10,260 --> 01:47:07,670
think are real troopers they're pioneers

2540
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:10,270
in this whole field it takes a lot of

2541
01:47:15,820 --> 01:47:14,330
you know a lot of personal strength to

2542
01:47:17,979 --> 01:47:15,830
be involved in this whole phenomenal

2543
01:47:21,850 --> 01:47:17,989
area of investigation this is not a

2544
01:47:24,220 --> 01:47:21,860
popular subject in any group out there

2545
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:24,230
it's often been equated I think as the

2546
01:47:29,859 --> 01:47:27,170
the the least popular subject in the

2547
01:47:31,899 --> 01:47:29,869
paranormal I can see why I personally

2548
01:47:34,060 --> 01:47:31,909
have a real aversion to dead animals but

2549
01:47:36,479 --> 01:47:34,070
these these ranching communities and

2550
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:36,489
these ranches most of them small

2551
01:47:42,220 --> 01:47:39,770
small-scale ranches they they need help

2552
01:47:45,340 --> 01:47:42,230
and and we need to marshal our forces

2553
01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:45,350
and network our efforts and really work

2554
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:47,840
to solve this mystery or at least try to

2555
01:47:53,050 --> 01:47:50,449
you know be in a place where we can

2556
01:47:56,500 --> 01:47:53,060
scare these people away and let these

2557
01:47:58,930 --> 01:47:56,510
ranchers you know go about you know

2558
01:48:00,850 --> 01:47:58,940
raising cattle in and maximizing their

2559
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:00,860
livelihood instead of having to write

2560
01:48:09,209 --> 01:48:02,449
off lost investments because of

2561
01:48:11,770 --> 01:48:09,219
mutilations to all the ranchers and

2562
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:11,780
early night that night that's a really

2563
01:48:18,729 --> 01:48:15,679
good good idea Ted I'm serious I am too

2564
01:48:20,530 --> 01:48:18,739
I think that this any type of heads up

2565
01:48:23,290 --> 01:48:20,540
that we can come up with to supply these

2566
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:23,300
ranchers any sort of patterning that we

2567
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:25,610
can identify or any anything that's

2568
01:48:28,390 --> 01:48:26,960
going to help these guys be extra

2569
01:48:30,669 --> 01:48:28,400
vigilant when they need to be I think is

2570
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:30,679
important I think I'm not discounting

2571
01:48:36,170 --> 01:48:33,810
your idea at all I think it's a good one

2572
01:48:37,580 --> 01:48:36,180
you see if they happen anyway what about

2573
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:37,590
dealing with the media the media is

2574
01:48:43,730 --> 01:48:39,330
going to try to turn this into one huge

2575
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:43,740
joke they always do well you have

2576
01:48:47,650 --> 01:48:45,810
investigators that go from outside a

2577
01:48:50,180 --> 01:48:47,660
particular area and come into an area

2578
01:48:52,250 --> 01:48:50,190
find some cases that are maybe

2579
01:48:53,870 --> 01:48:52,260
mutilations or maybe unidentified

2580
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:53,880
scavenger action this just happened

2581
01:48:57,380 --> 01:48:55,290
recently this fall in the San Luis

2582
01:48:59,980 --> 01:48:57,390
Valley we got an outside investigator

2583
01:49:02,930 --> 01:48:59,990
that came down poked his nose around

2584
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:02,940
found some cases that were equivocal and

2585
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:05,010
then the first thing he did was call

2586
01:49:10,130 --> 01:49:08,010
every media source that he could and

2587
01:49:11,810 --> 01:49:10,140
reported these things to newspapers and

2588
01:49:15,110 --> 01:49:11,820
and stuff and it went viral it went

2589
01:49:17,390 --> 01:49:15,120
around the world and we have examples of

2590
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:17,400
amateur investigators I mean all of us

2591
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:19,170
are amateur investigators I mean when it

2592
01:49:22,610 --> 01:49:20,370
comes down to it none of us are

2593
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:22,620
veterinary pathologists that's the only

2594
01:49:26,210 --> 01:49:25,050
real professional animal mutilation

2595
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:26,220
investigator out there

2596
01:49:30,710 --> 01:49:28,800
however myself and Ted and Phillip have

2597
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:30,720
been around these cases enough we've

2598
01:49:35,510 --> 01:49:33,570
done the research we caught up on the

2599
01:49:37,340 --> 01:49:35,520
learning curve or what to look for the

2600
01:49:40,070 --> 01:49:37,350
first thing that I look for is cut hair

2601
01:49:42,740 --> 01:49:40,080
follicles if there is an animal that has

2602
01:49:44,660 --> 01:49:42,750
an incision and there's a long straight

2603
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:44,670
line let's say you know from a half an

2604
01:49:49,970 --> 01:49:47,850
inch larger of cut hair follicles

2605
01:49:52,010 --> 01:49:49,980
there's no predator or scavenger on the

2606
01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:52,020
planet they can duplicate that so that

2607
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:54,090
to me is my litmus test for a high

2608
01:49:57,440 --> 01:49:55,530
strange case if there's cut hair

2609
01:50:01,160 --> 01:49:57,450
follicles that is a high strange case

2610
01:50:03,440 --> 01:50:01,170
that deserves investigation and there

2611
01:50:05,990 --> 01:50:03,450
are other amateur investigators out

2612
01:50:08,780 --> 01:50:06,000
there that don't have this particular

2613
01:50:10,460 --> 01:50:08,790
experience they don't have the the

2614
01:50:12,500 --> 01:50:10,470
number of cases under their belt to be

2615
01:50:14,900 --> 01:50:12,510
able to go out and effectively look at a

2616
01:50:16,670 --> 01:50:14,910
case as an amateur and determine whether

2617
01:50:18,590 --> 01:50:16,680
it deserves to be investigated or not

2618
01:50:21,050 --> 01:50:18,600
and the last thing you should do is go

2619
01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:21,060
out and Trump it you know mystery

2620
01:50:25,790 --> 01:50:23,130
mongering to the media that to me is

2621
01:50:27,440 --> 01:50:25,800
anthem at any any sort of solution film

2622
01:50:29,690 --> 01:50:27,450
what's your feeling about that how's the

2623
01:50:34,850 --> 01:50:29,700
media tree thirst in the UK well the

2624
01:50:36,380 --> 01:50:34,860
media is attitude to that UFO phenomenon

2625
01:50:39,170 --> 01:50:36,390
for instance animal mutilations

2626
01:50:40,850 --> 01:50:39,180
everything in this country is so far

2627
01:50:42,980 --> 01:50:40,860
behind America I mean I had a

2628
01:50:45,080 --> 01:50:42,990
conversation with a reporter only a few

2629
01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:45,090
weeks ago regarding the mutilation

2630
01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:46,080
phenomena and

2631
01:50:50,810 --> 01:50:48,960
I explained it to this lady graphically

2632
01:50:52,010 --> 01:50:50,820
and I sent images and she said well if

2633
01:50:54,590 --> 01:50:52,020
this is going on

2634
01:50:56,540 --> 01:50:54,600
why don't either wasn't she know about

2635
01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:56,550
it and I said well you're part of the

2636
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:57,840
media and you're part of the problem

2637
01:51:01,580 --> 01:50:59,520
because you're not the ones reporting it

2638
01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:01,590
and I said no it's fair enough an

2639
01:51:06,230 --> 01:51:03,840
unsavory subject but at the end of the

2640
01:51:08,150 --> 01:51:06,240
day this could affect everybody's lives

2641
01:51:10,100 --> 01:51:08,160
because if there's a contamination of

2642
01:51:12,110 --> 01:51:10,110
the food chain they obviously we're the

2643
01:51:13,610 --> 01:51:12,120
people who consume in these animals and

2644
01:51:15,890 --> 01:51:13,620
it could affect us personally in our

2645
01:51:18,290 --> 01:51:15,900
families and future generations we need

2646
01:51:20,990 --> 01:51:18,300
to understand exactly why it's been done

2647
01:51:22,490 --> 01:51:21,000
and by whom and you know because we

2648
01:51:23,780 --> 01:51:22,500
should be given the choice whether to

2649
01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:23,790
make a decision

2650
01:51:28,910 --> 01:51:26,850
should we eat these animals so I mean

2651
01:51:30,980 --> 01:51:28,920
there's a lot of ignorance but there's

2652
01:51:33,620 --> 01:51:30,990
also there's a stigma that Chris talked

2653
01:51:35,150 --> 01:51:33,630
about on obviously you know you you have

2654
01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:35,160
you have people coming in making

2655
01:51:39,140 --> 01:51:37,650
off-the-cuff remarks or statements when

2656
01:51:41,450 --> 01:51:39,150
they don't really know what understands

2657
01:51:44,150 --> 01:51:41,460
that have complex to surf phenomena is

2658
01:51:46,010 --> 01:51:44,160
it could be very detrimental to us and

2659
01:51:48,220 --> 01:51:46,020
to our investigations and this in this

2660
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:48,230
country in the same be in America see

2661
01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:51,930
responsibility and you know it is the

2662
01:51:55,310 --> 01:51:53,310
main player you must take responsibility

2663
01:51:57,740 --> 01:51:55,320
for your actions and what you do you

2664
01:51:59,210 --> 01:51:57,750
can't you can't just be an amateur and

2665
01:52:01,550 --> 01:51:59,220
investigate for a few minutes and then

2666
01:52:02,750 --> 01:52:01,560
make a mess and walk away so I mean the

2667
01:52:04,310 --> 01:52:02,760
end of the day we're looking at

2668
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:04,320
everything has to be said before we need

2669
01:52:08,030 --> 01:52:06,090
constantly to try and take on board the

2670
01:52:09,980 --> 01:52:08,040
new information new knowledge we're not

2671
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:09,990
experts and we try to recruit them I

2672
01:52:15,650 --> 01:52:13,530
wrote to over 65 vets I asked on the

2673
01:52:17,870 --> 01:52:15,660
surface for cooperation or even for

2674
01:52:19,910 --> 01:52:17,880
these people to 202 were to look at the

2675
01:52:24,110 --> 01:52:19,920
evidence and I received it not one

2676
01:52:26,270 --> 01:52:24,120
single reply you know so I even included

2677
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:26,280
a stamped addressed envelope I said I

2678
01:52:32,750 --> 01:52:30,570
would supply a free video and/or DVD but

2679
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:32,760
it was there was no response so I mean

2680
01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:34,650
it's very difficult to get to get any

2681
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:36,570
sort of cooperation from professionals

2682
01:52:41,420 --> 01:52:38,850
but we will keep good we will continue

2683
01:52:43,370 --> 01:52:41,430
to do try this and and slowly push the

2684
01:52:45,500 --> 01:52:43,380
boundaries and make awareness to the

2685
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:45,510
farmers and to the general public

2686
01:52:48,110 --> 01:52:47,010
okay so that's the big difficulty here

2687
01:52:49,790 --> 01:52:48,120
you don't really have medical

2688
01:52:51,440 --> 01:52:49,800
professionals who can do the forensics

2689
01:52:54,650 --> 01:52:51,450
no that's right

2690
01:52:55,629 --> 01:52:54,660
it's not totally true I mean I I do know

2691
01:52:57,070 --> 01:52:55,639
of a

2692
01:52:58,870 --> 01:52:57,080
number of vets in the San Luis Valley

2693
01:53:00,189 --> 01:52:58,880
that have seen enough of these cases to

2694
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:00,199
know that there's something real behind

2695
01:53:05,649 --> 01:53:02,690
this so that's not totally true I think

2696
01:53:07,330 --> 01:53:05,659
in Phillips case I think like he said

2697
01:53:09,100 --> 01:53:07,340
that there behind the times up there and

2698
01:53:11,260 --> 01:53:09,110
there is there is a giggle factor that

2699
01:53:12,790 --> 01:53:11,270
is overwhelmed the mystery there I think

2700
01:53:14,979 --> 01:53:12,800
in hard-hit places like the San Luis

2701
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:14,989
Valley and I think Ted would probably

2702
01:53:18,850 --> 01:53:17,090
agree down in Alabama in the late 90s

2703
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:18,860
that there were professionals that were

2704
01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:21,050
willing to get involved maybe not on the

2705
01:53:26,020 --> 01:53:22,850
record but at least willing to do the

2706
01:53:32,169 --> 01:53:26,030
test diagnostic labs over there there

2707
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:32,179
were at least willing to yeah and I was

2708
01:53:36,340 --> 01:53:34,010
working with John King from the you know

2709
01:53:39,939 --> 01:53:36,350
the New York veterinary college at

2710
01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:39,949
Cornell you know to be honest with you

2711
01:53:44,020 --> 01:53:42,170
he's almost a debunker but at least he

2712
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:44,030
was open-minded enough to at least do

2713
01:53:48,550 --> 01:53:46,130
the tests on the animals so it's like

2714
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:48,560
four steps forward five steps back three

2715
01:53:53,140 --> 01:53:50,090
steps forward two steps back we are

2716
01:53:55,060 --> 01:53:53,150
making slowly making progress to try to

2717
01:53:57,160 --> 01:53:55,070
interest the scientific community that

2718
01:54:01,500 --> 01:53:57,170
they were educate them that this is a

2719
01:54:05,229 --> 01:54:01,510
problem but we still have a ways to go

2720
01:54:06,910 --> 01:54:05,239
well one case he said was equivocal he

2721
01:54:09,010 --> 01:54:06,920
couldn't really determine one thing or

2722
01:54:11,649 --> 01:54:09,020
another the other two or three cases

2723
01:54:13,810 --> 01:54:11,659
that he was willing to you know to do

2724
01:54:17,410 --> 01:54:13,820
testing on and have a students look at

2725
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:17,420
he said to him in his opinion was

2726
01:54:22,660 --> 01:54:20,330
unusual scavenger action but there was a

2727
01:54:25,149 --> 01:54:22,670
case that he did say that he couldn't

2728
01:54:27,220 --> 01:54:25,159
really come up with a real viable all

2729
01:54:29,620 --> 01:54:27,230
the you know explanation for what

2730
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:29,630
happened to the animals so you know and

2731
01:54:35,169 --> 01:54:32,330
there have been cases where I had a case

2732
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:35,179
just recently here this last late summer

2733
01:54:40,030 --> 01:54:38,090
were a retired veterinarian had a

2734
01:54:41,740 --> 01:54:40,040
mutilation on his ranch and he didn't

2735
01:54:43,660 --> 01:54:41,750
make an official report but he had one

2736
01:54:45,370 --> 01:54:43,670
of the deputies come down and he just

2737
01:54:47,770 --> 01:54:45,380
went up one side down the other and said

2738
01:54:49,330 --> 01:54:47,780
this is high strange but I don't want to

2739
01:54:51,580 --> 01:54:49,340
make an official report and I don't want

2740
01:54:54,189 --> 01:54:51,590
my name mentioned you know you know in

2741
01:54:56,200 --> 01:54:54,199
conjunction with this case but he warned

2742
01:54:58,030 --> 01:54:56,210
the deputy that this is somebody came

2743
01:54:59,859 --> 01:54:58,040
and did this to my cow or something came

2744
01:55:01,629 --> 01:54:59,869
and did this to my cow and he just

2745
01:55:04,270 --> 01:55:01,639
wanted to put it put him on notice to

2746
01:55:07,899 --> 01:55:04,280
keep his eyes open so I think as these

2747
01:55:08,540 --> 01:55:07,909
cases slowly continue down through time

2748
01:55:11,090 --> 01:55:08,550
we're going

2749
01:55:13,310 --> 01:55:11,100
more and more respect from the

2750
01:55:15,740 --> 01:55:13,320
scientific community and we're gonna see

2751
01:55:18,680 --> 01:55:15,750
we're gonna see the powers of diagnostic

2752
01:55:20,990 --> 01:55:18,690
venner the pathology in forensic science

2753
01:55:22,850 --> 01:55:21,000
you know brought to bear on this whole

2754
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:22,860
question I think the National Institute

2755
01:55:27,380 --> 01:55:24,810
discovery Sciences giorgo Netcom

2756
01:55:30,770 --> 01:55:27,390
Kelliher microbiologist these types of

2757
01:55:32,270 --> 01:55:30,780
people we need more efforts like this to

2758
01:55:32,660 --> 01:55:32,280
really get to the bottom of this whole

2759
01:55:34,340 --> 01:55:32,670
thing

2760
01:55:36,050 --> 01:55:34,350
Philip well where can we find more of

2761
01:55:39,170 --> 01:55:36,060
the things that you do well I mean the

2762
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:39,180
the our website is the the main place to

2763
01:55:43,820 --> 01:55:41,760
to actually access which is Castel it's

2764
01:55:46,850 --> 01:55:43,830
the APF u dot org

2765
01:55:49,490 --> 01:55:46,860
and that gives a very comprehensive

2766
01:55:51,230 --> 01:55:49,500
overview of our cases and what we're

2767
01:55:53,780 --> 01:55:51,240
trying to do and obviously the website

2768
01:55:57,860 --> 01:55:53,790
and its early stages we're constantly

2769
01:56:00,410 --> 01:55:57,870
looking to to gain funding and equipment

2770
01:56:01,820 --> 01:56:00,420
and to expand our operations to find the

2771
01:56:03,950 --> 01:56:01,830
answers that's what our objective

2772
01:56:06,020 --> 01:56:03,960
whatever wherever the answer is we are

2773
01:56:08,360 --> 01:56:06,030
looking for it and we will constantly to

2774
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:08,370
expand those boundaries but just coming

2775
01:56:13,550 --> 01:56:11,130
back to the bizarreness of of the whole

2776
01:56:15,470 --> 01:56:13,560
phenomena we have one case that witness

2777
01:56:17,870 --> 01:56:15,480
and it's not not alone to me in one case

2778
01:56:19,550 --> 01:56:17,880
that one person found a number of owls

2779
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:19,560
that were actually in a straight line

2780
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:22,170
and all have been dissected and you

2781
01:56:26,090 --> 01:56:24,210
think it will wine you know why would

2782
01:56:27,590 --> 01:56:26,100
anybody want to do this but it's not

2783
01:56:28,730 --> 01:56:27,600
they've had rabbits and other small

2784
01:56:31,460 --> 01:56:28,740
rodents as well

2785
01:56:34,580 --> 01:56:31,470
so I mean the whole thing is its complex

2786
01:56:36,920 --> 01:56:34,590
its unfolding but we have we have to

2787
01:56:38,930 --> 01:56:36,930
constantly look for every every area of

2788
01:56:41,330 --> 01:56:38,940
the spectrum to finance it's good I feel

2789
01:56:43,940 --> 01:56:41,340
strongly what I was taking place we need

2790
01:56:45,410 --> 01:56:43,950
the answers for everybody's futures in

2791
01:56:46,910 --> 01:56:45,420
our children's futures if there's a

2792
01:56:48,470 --> 01:56:46,920
contamination we must find out what it

2793
01:56:51,410 --> 01:56:48,480
is and trying to eliminate from food

2794
01:56:59,690 --> 01:56:51,420
chain ten Olaf and some final words and

2795
01:57:01,220 --> 01:56:59,700
we're to get hold of you there's really

2796
01:57:04,370 --> 01:57:01,230
nobody else really doing out there doing

2797
01:57:04,900 --> 01:57:04,380
that right he's doing a great job out

2798
01:57:11,810 --> 01:57:04,910
there

2799
01:57:13,730 --> 01:57:11,820
investigated a long long time and so uh

2800
01:57:14,410 --> 01:57:13,740
you know I'm just glad that he's out

2801
01:57:15,970 --> 01:57:14,420
there doing

2802
01:57:17,650 --> 01:57:15,980
whether crystal Bryan's been out there

2803
01:57:19,900 --> 01:57:17,660
doing it forever other people like Dave

2804
01:57:22,510 --> 01:57:19,910
Perkins and have been working on this

2805
01:57:24,100 --> 01:57:22,520
for a long time and I just glad they're

2806
01:57:25,060 --> 01:57:24,110
out there still doing it thanks for

2807
01:57:27,730 --> 01:57:25,070
having me on the show I thought was a

2808
01:57:30,820 --> 01:57:27,740
great show and we check your site over

2809
01:57:35,110 --> 01:57:30,830
myspace yeah my space.com slash New

2810
01:57:37,120 --> 01:57:35,120
Orleans photography one word and lots of

2811
01:57:39,670 --> 01:57:37,130
photographs lots of writing lots of fun

2812
01:57:40,990 --> 01:57:39,680
stuff up there right on TV and thanks

2813
01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:41,000
again for having me on the show I liked

2814
01:57:44,350 --> 01:57:42,530
a lot Chris O'Brien

2815
01:57:46,750 --> 01:57:44,360
you have a successor to stalking the

2816
01:57:48,280 --> 01:57:46,760
tricksters oh boy I'm not sure about

2817
01:57:50,020 --> 01:57:48,290
that I might have to stay away from the

2818
01:57:53,470 --> 01:57:50,030
old trickster thing I've opened myself

2819
01:57:56,740 --> 01:57:53,480
up to it took quite a kettle of fish for

2820
01:57:58,360 --> 01:57:56,750
that old theory but again if anybody's

2821
01:58:00,670 --> 01:57:58,370
interested in my work my complete

2822
01:58:03,640 --> 01:58:00,680
database is online it's our strange

2823
01:58:06,310 --> 01:58:03,650
planet com we do live in a strange

2824
01:58:08,110 --> 01:58:06,320
planet it's our strange planet so if

2825
01:58:10,360 --> 01:58:08,120
you're interested in the hundreds and

2826
01:58:13,200 --> 01:58:10,370
hundreds of UFO sightings and dozens and

2827
01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:13,210
dozens of mutilation cases all the

2828
01:58:18,550 --> 01:58:16,370
information is up there online and I do

2829
01:58:20,950 --> 01:58:18,560
urge everybody to network with each

2830
01:58:23,620 --> 01:58:20,960
other become educated about this and

2831
01:58:24,900 --> 01:58:23,630
always keep your eyes open but when they

2832
01:58:27,250 --> 01:58:24,910
tell you to keep your eyes to the sky

2833
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:27,260
make sure you also have an ear to the

2834
01:58:31,810 --> 01:58:29,450
ground I should mention that connection

2835
01:58:34,450 --> 01:58:31,820
by the way the book by the late Mac

2836
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:34,460
Tony's the crypto terrestrials from

2837
01:58:39,130 --> 01:58:36,650
anomalous press that the book is out it

2838
01:58:41,620 --> 01:58:39,140
is a terrific book a very short book

2839
01:58:43,240 --> 01:58:41,630
about 128 pages anybody can read it in

2840
01:58:45,130 --> 01:58:43,250
three hours and I recommend it to

2841
01:58:48,190 --> 01:58:45,140
everyone this will be the subject of a

2842
01:58:50,860 --> 01:58:48,200
future para cast session next week we'll

2843
01:58:52,390 --> 01:58:50,870
have Paul Kimball as our guest host our

2844
01:58:54,820 --> 01:58:52,400
guest will be Michael McDonald the

2845
01:58:57,070 --> 01:58:54,830
Canadian filmmaker who's made a number

2846
01:58:59,860 --> 01:58:57,080
of excellent documentaries on UFOs and

2847
01:59:02,950 --> 01:58:59,870
the paranormal once again I thank you to

2848
01:59:06,420 --> 01:59:02,960
Ted olifant full of oil and our favorite

2849
01:59:11,590 --> 01:59:08,710
Christopher O'Brien for being our guest

2850
01:59:13,630 --> 01:59:11,600
host this week thanks for joining us on

2851
01:59:15,910 --> 01:59:13,640
the power cast you did a great job Jean

2852
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:15,920
thanks a lot Phil and Ted then thank you

2853
01:59:26,950 --> 01:59:25,330
the pair cast is a copyrighted

2854
01:59:29,740 --> 01:59:26,960
presentation for making the impossible

2855
01:59:44,710 --> 01:59:29,750
incorporated to the next week for the